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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you may be right, as i have been wrong many times before
    but my understanding is bundy's grazing rights were sought for BLM acquisition after the concern in '93 about the tortoise species being at risk in that grazing area
    if that is true, then i cannot understand why an extension of his grazing privileges would have been granted while the BLM was simultaneously purchasing existing rights of area ranchers
    Bundy chose not to be bought out, he could have continued using public grazing land through purchase of a permit with allowed head of cattle and a reduction of land that he could have grazed his animals on.

    I do sympathize with Cliven about losing a family traditional lively hood due to environmental concerns of all things a tortoise. And Cliven has a right to disagree and protest such decisions. The smartest thing that he could have done was work with environmentalists on how to save the desert tortoise and its habitat. A business the Bundy Ranch must adapt to whatever comes its way.

    The BLM does things like this because public land users tend to abuse their rights (see dust bowl). I personally live in ranching country (my moms birth certificate says my grandpas occupation was cowboy). There are good ranchers and then there are bad ranchers. Some make sure to take care of the land because they know that their lively hood counts on it. Had Bundy been at the forefront of helping the desert tortoise then things would have been different.

    But the Bundy Ranch said 'lol a turtle? **** off! we are doing what we want and **** America **** everyone but us'. meanwhile Cliven Bundy is asserting crazy **** like the US Government doesnt exist, and the rest of the Confederate states right stance. Cliven even tried to use such a stance as a defense in court. Obviously his rant was rejected as nonsense.

    Cliven had his chance and failed because he is a dickhead anti American that wants to start a second American Revolution. **** him and the horse that he rode in on.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Hmmm, interesting. So protestors armed with signs and obscene speech should be surrounded by armed police and assaulted but that's OK while...
    Who said that was okay? Are you arguing with someone else while replying to my post?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    You know what will really be 'fun' in the most horrific way imaginable -- the next time a similar situation occurs and the "patriots" show up, and in their number is a psychopathic person who is absolutely sure the government is out to get him so therefore he has to shoot first. The response will not be good.
    Interesting. Completely unrelated to the Bundy case, but still interesting.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    We both don't know that. I wouldn't speculate.
    It's a known fact or the damn desert tortoise wouldn't have over populated the area.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Perhaps the military would be better equipped to handle fights like this one, but can you imagine the outcry had they sent them in?

    And, perhaps they could just ask pretty please with sugar on it, remove your cattle or pay the grazing fees.
    Local police should suffice, it should be a local issue related to one family.

    Perhaps they - or you - could explain how the grazing fees and other regulations are appropriate considering they've driven out every other rancher in the area. I see leftists bolstering their anti-Bundy'ism by saying he's a 1%'er - all I see is the perfect example of regulations driving out all the little guys and leaving a small but powerful cartel - or a monopoly as this case appears to be. Just as Mises predicted. Maybe the grazing fees are just as awful as Bundy says.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle LaValliere View Post
    Local police should suffice, it should be a local issue related to one family.

    Perhaps they - or you - could explain how the grazing fees and other regulations are appropriate considering they've driven out every other rancher in the area. I see leftists bolstering their anti-Bundy'ism by saying he's a 1%'er - all I see is the perfect example of regulations driving out all the little guys and leaving a small but powerful cartel - or a monopoly as this case appears to be. Just as Mises predicted. Maybe the grazing fees are just as awful as Bundy says.
    The grazing fees have driven out every other rancher? Really? That's the first I've heard of that, and I think I've read most of the posts in this thread. Perhaps you could provide a link.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle LaValliere View Post
    Local police should suffice, it should be a local issue related to one family.

    Perhaps they - or you - could explain how the grazing fees and other regulations are appropriate considering they've driven out every other rancher in the area. I see leftists bolstering their anti-Bundy'ism by saying he's a 1%'er - all I see is the perfect example of regulations driving out all the little guys and leaving a small but powerful cartel - or a monopoly as this case appears to be. Just as Mises predicted. Maybe the grazing fees are just as awful as Bundy says.
    So where are the other ranchers that pay those fees?

    Here: https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=h...0Statement.pdf


    The Nevada Cattlemen's Association makes a good case in this statement. But they do so above the table asserting that a legal peaceful soleution be hammered out by Bundy and the Federal Government alone.

    "We regret that this entire situation was not avoided through more local government
    involvement and better implementation of federal regulations, laws, and court decisions. While we
    cannot advocate operating outside the law to solve problems, we also sympathize with Mr.
    Bundy’s dilemma. With good faith negotiations from both sides, we believe a result can be
    achieved which recognizes the balance that must be struck between private property rights and
    resource sustainability."

    The Nevada Cattlemen's Association are not on board with Bundy's outside of the law anti-American bull****. They believe that a rational negotiations can be made with the government.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If they are asked to go up against a bunch of radicals armed with rifles, then yes.
    That's nonsense. We're there people there with weapons? Yes. Were their goals peaceful resolution? Yes.

    Harry Reid doesn't seem to be so.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    The Nevada Cattlemen's Association are not on board with Bundy's outside of the law anti-American bull****. They believe that a rational negotiations can be made with the government.
    That interpretation is a bit of a stretch. They want rational negotiations with the government, and must operate within the law, but I don't see anywhere where they think they can achieve any satisfaction. This is the classic "the system sucks but what the hell are we gonna do?" defeatism that has brought us to having more regulations, crony protectionism, and useless laws, and a bigger federal budget than any time in history. Working within the system is just bringing faster and faster losses.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The grazing fees have driven out every other rancher? Really? That's the first I've heard of that, and I think I've read most of the posts in this thread. Perhaps you could provide a link.
    He called himself the "last man standing" when the latest brouhaha started. He claims there were dozens of ranchers in that area just a couple decades ago. It's an important point so, if it were wrong, I'm sure his detractors would have debunked it by now. If you find out otherwise, I'd be interested to hear about it.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle LaValliere View Post
    He called himself the "last man standing" when the latest brouhaha started. He claims there were dozens of ranchers in that area just a couple decades ago. It's an important point so, if it were wrong, I'm sure his detractors would have debunked it by now. If you find out otherwise, I'd be interested to hear about it.
    I see. So, it was a statement that Bundy made. But, wasn't there a reference to a "cattlemen's association"? Was that an association of one?
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