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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and out public lands would be in better shape if everyone had the same ethics.

    Unfortunately, there are lots of yahoos who find it perfectly acceptable to trash public places.
    We're not like that at all.
    When we camped @ Luna Campground in the Cibola N.F., a toilet enclosed by a plywood enclosure, dirty toilet seat, no t.p., trash everywhere.

    We used our drinking water and anti bacterial soap to clean the toilet, and our own paper towels, and picked up litter in the camp too.

    Part of the reason this camp was trashed was because it's remote, funding has been cut for cleaning and maintenance crews, and people just don't care. We do.

    We also packed out all of the rubbish we generated and the trash we picked up.

    We felt good about lending a hand.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    Why is 85% of Nevada land owned by the Federal government? They should cede it over to the State Government so they can partial it out to private ownership.
    If we want to go back to the original ownership of the land, then we should give deference to the natives and then to Mexico, in that order.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    If we want to go back to the original ownership of the land, then we should give deference to the natives and then to Mexico, in that order.
    He didn't say anything about original ownership. What he was saying is that the federally owned land in Nevada should be returned to the state of Nevada and then sold to the people.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    my understanding is the elevation of protection for the endangered species caused BLM to buy existing grazing rights to eliminate further grazing on public lands in that designated area
    bundy refused to participate in that buy back
    he did not seek a grazing permit thereafter, knowing it would be declined due to the concerns about an endangered species
    No he could have obtained a permit but the the amount of head that he could have grazed would have been reduced. For the record there are 3 other ranchers in southern Nevada that still are buying grazing permits. Telling is that the Bundy"s lie and say that they are the last ranch in southern Nevada. But such dishonesty is of no surprise considering Clivens claim that the US Government does not exist. The Bundy"s are like their occupier cousins they put out a lot bull****.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    He didn't say anything about original ownership. What he was saying is that the federally owned land in Nevada should be returned to the state of Nevada and then sold to the people.
    It doesn't matter. What matters legally is who currently possesses the land. This idea of "returning the land to the people" is merely an academic exercise.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    I think folks are forgetting he has 150 acres of his own land. Seeing the way public grazing was going he had ample time to retask his farm.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Go look how much of Nevada the federal government controls, then get back to me.

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    Most of that is God Forsaken land. Who really gives a flipping ****?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    No he could have obtained a permit but the the amount of head that he could have grazed would have been reduced. For the record there are 3 other ranchers in southern Nevada that still are buying grazing permits. Telling is that the Bundy"s lie and say that they are the last ranch in southern Nevada. But such dishonesty is of no surprise considering Clivens claim that the US Government does not exist. The Bundy"s are like their occupier cousins they put out a lot bull****.

    you may be right, as i have been wrong many times before
    but my understanding is bundy's grazing rights were sought for BLM acquisition after the concern in '93 about the tortoise species being at risk in that grazing area
    if that is true, then i cannot understand why an extension of his grazing privileges would have been granted while the BLM was simultaneously purchasing existing rights of area ranchers
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Where I've been, and where I go, I pick up after myself and others. I make attempts of being a good steward, and I pay fees when I must pay fees. Anything less would be unethical.
    And I don't disagree in principle. But when the BLM is not renewing grazing rights for Ranchers in these areas. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't. It's not like the area where Bundy did grazing was harmed, it well kept by him and others. I'd understand your position more if the area was down right a dust bowl.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    And I don't disagree in principle. But when the BLM is not renewing grazing rights for Ranchers in these areas. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't. It's not like the area where Bundy did grazing was harmed, it well kept by him and others. I'd understand your position more if the area was down right a dust bowl.
    We both don't know that. I wouldn't speculate.

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