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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I see that you are ignorant of the BLM Office of Law Enforcement & Security existence. I suggest that you spend a little time researching the BLM Office of Law Enforcement & Security..


    The fact is that the Bundy's are anti US Government extremists that have made it clear that they think that they are above the law. They wont comply with court orders and CLiven is on record asserting that he believes the the US Government doesnt even exist. The Bundy's have been saying all along that they will use force if necessary to keep their cattle on that land. The BLM would be fools to not show up wielding protective gear and weapons.

    SO show me where it is illegal for Federal law enforcement to have the weapons that they had in Nevada. DO you even know what exact weapons that they had? Or are you just making big assumptions? I mean if citizens can point loaded high power weapons at the BLM what the hell are you crying about if the BLM has their own weapons? Shouldnt they have weapons if the citizens show up with weapons in hand? Or do you think that Law Enforcement should just have billy clubs?
    The BLM should have showed up with flowers in their hair, carrying peace signs.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I suppose that would be an alternative. What difference would it make?
    Increased likelihood that armed confrontations would consist of people trained for armed confrontations. BLM could stick to managing federal land - ecosystem and biodiversity, etc. NOAA - another agency with armed agents for whatever reason - could stick to weather stuff. Social Security Administration - another agency with armed agents for whatever reason - could stick to Social Security. Department of Education and the FDA too. If you're going to issue weapons and training to any employee that could possibly get into a heated situation, there's no end to that list.

    BTW, it's naive to be surprised at "radicals armed with rifles" when government brandishes their weapons at the drop of a hat. Raids on guitar factories, raw milk markets, and food distributors are done with sufficient show of military force so as to cause exactly the sort of fear that creates "radicals armed with rifles".

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Why is 85% of Nevada land owned by the Federal government? They should cede it over to the State Government so they can partial it out to private ownership.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    Why is 85% of Nevada land owned by the Federal government? They should cede it over to the State Government so they can partial it out to private ownership.

    Sometimes I wonder about the educational level attained by those who call themselves "libertarian" and then other times I just say Phfffft!!

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle LaValliere View Post
    Increased likelihood that armed confrontations would consist of people trained for armed confrontations. BLM could stick to managing federal land - ecosystem and biodiversity, etc. NOAA - another agency with armed agents for whatever reason - could stick to weather stuff. Social Security Administration - another agency with armed agents for whatever reason - could stick to Social Security. Department of Education and the FDA too. If you're going to issue weapons and training to any employee that could possibly get into a heated situation, there's no end to that list.

    BTW, it's naive to be surprised at "radicals armed with rifles" when government brandishes their weapons at the drop of a hat. Raids on guitar factories, raw milk markets, and food distributors are done with sufficient show of military force so as to cause exactly the sort of fear that creates "radicals armed with rifles".
    Perhaps the military would be better equipped to handle fights like this one, but can you imagine the outcry had they sent them in?

    And, perhaps they could just ask pretty please with sugar on it, remove your cattle or pay the grazing fees.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle LaValliere View Post
    Increased likelihood that armed confrontations would consist of people trained for armed confrontations. <snip>

    BTW, it's naive to be surprised at "radicals armed with rifles" when government brandishes their weapons at the drop of a hat. Raids on guitar factories, raw milk markets, and food distributors are done with sufficient show of military force so as to cause exactly the sort of fear that creates "radicals armed with rifles".

    Hmmm, interesting. So protestors armed with signs and obscene speech should be surrounded by armed police and assaulted but that's OK while some lunatic white guy is told "We are taking your cows" and the "patriots" show up with their weaponry.

    You know what will really be 'fun' in the most horrific way imaginable -- the next time a similar situation occurs and the "patriots" show up, and in their number is a psychopathic person who is absolutely sure the government is out to get him so therefore he has to shoot first. The response will not be good.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    To me it sounds like he had a permit in good standing.
    The BLM changed the land use, and set about buying back the unused portions of the permits.
    Bundy refused to sell, and the permit was revoked.
    I assumed he appealed, through the appeal process and lost,(big surprise!)
    I think the lesson here, be careful who you do business with.
    The Government can change it's mind in regards to a contract, and the affected
    business has no recourse.
    I just hope they don't decide to revoke permits to access the interstate,
    because the western concrete lizard is endangered.
    No actually what really happened was that Cliven refused to pay for the grazing permit even though he could still be grazing on the same allotment today if he had complied with the permit fees and conditions. But he was making a political point and thing that he can just do whatever he wants outside of the law.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Everything you need to know about the long fight between Cliven Bundy and the federal government
    The quote from March 1993.

    The fact that they revoked his permit, says he had a permit.
    They were fining him for grazing cattle on protected land, which he had a permit to do.
    I wonder if they offered fair market value, when they offered to buy his permit?
    You know that link is to blog right? Perhaps though you take Cliven's daughters word? "When they offered to buy my dad out for a penance he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren’t doing their job. He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down." STATEMENT FROM CLIVEN BUNDY,S DAUGHTER SHIREE BUNDY" - Lone Star Tea Party

    When you do not pay your grazing permit it is revoked for failure of payment.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    The state of Nevada charges $12 a head for grazing.
    While the feds charge only $1.35 a head.
    I think yours is a great idea to give this land back to Nevada !
    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    Why is 85% of Nevada land owned by the Federal government? They should cede it over to the State Government so they can partial it out to private ownership.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    You know that link is to blog right? Perhaps though you take Cliven's daughters word? "When they offered to buy my dad out for a penance he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren’t doing their job. He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down." STATEMENT FROM CLIVEN BUNDY,S DAUGHTER SHIREE BUNDY" - Lone Star Tea Party

    When you do not pay your grazing permit it is revoked for failure of payment.
    Yeah, that's like not paying the rent or lease on an apartment, or, not paying the mortgage on a home, then the deputies show up to set your sheet out onto the curb, and tell you to leave. Except Bundy thought he could get away without paying, perfect example of a deadbeat, and a wealthy one at that.

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