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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I have no doubt the fine is because he did not have a permit,
    The question is why he did not have a permit?
    If he choose to not pay his grazing fees, that is one thing,
    but if they would not allow him to pay, that is something else.
    Cliven Bundy claims that he refused to pay the permit to the Federal Government because he claims that the US government does not exist. Again look at the court records.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Cliven Bundy claims that he refused to pay the permit to the Federal Government because he claims that the US government does not exist. Again look at the court records.
    To me it sounds like he had a permit in good standing.
    The BLM changed the land use, and set about buying back the unused portions of the permits.
    Bundy refused to sell, and the permit was revoked.
    I assumed he appealed, through the appeal process and lost,(big surprise!)
    I think the lesson here, be careful who you do business with.
    The Government can change it's mind in regards to a contract, and the affected
    business has no recourse.
    I just hope they don't decide to revoke permits to access the interstate,
    because the western concrete lizard is endangered.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    To me it sounds like he had a permit in good standing.
    The BLM changed the land use, and set about buying back the unused portions of the permits.
    Bundy refused to sell, and the permit was revoked.
    I assumed he appealed, through the appeal process and lost,(big surprise!)
    I think the lesson here, be careful who you do business with.
    The Government can change it's mind in regards to a contract, and the affected
    business has no recourse.
    I just hope they don't decide to revoke permits to access the interstate,
    because the western concrete lizard is endangered.
    Now the Feds just need to take Bundy's ranch via eminent domain, force him to sell put that money towards the fines he owes, and Bundy becomes homeless, foodstamp user looking for HUD housing in downtown Overton NM.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Just a question, should regulatory agencies be armed like the military, or a SWAT team?
    I see that you are ignorant of the BLM Office of Law Enforcement & Security existence. I suggest that you spend a little time researching the BLM Office of Law Enforcement & Security..


    The fact is that the Bundy's are anti US Government extremists that have made it clear that they think that they are above the law. They wont comply with court orders and CLiven is on record asserting that he believes the the US Government doesnt even exist. The Bundy's have been saying all along that they will use force if necessary to keep their cattle on that land. The BLM would be fools to not show up wielding protective gear and weapons.

    SO show me where it is illegal for Federal law enforcement to have the weapons that they had in Nevada. DO you even know what exact weapons that they had? Or are you just making big assumptions? I mean if citizens can point loaded high power weapons at the BLM what the hell are you crying about if the BLM has their own weapons? Shouldnt they have weapons if the citizens show up with weapons in hand? Or do you think that Law Enforcement should just have billy clubs?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    43 CFR 4160.4 - Appeals. | LII / Legal Information Institute
    It sure sound like he is out of appeals,
    The only exception might be if BLM made a timing mistake when they revoked his permit.
    Like if the the first fines were issued before the appeals process was completed.
    The BLM banned bundy from any grazing permits after Bundy refused to pay the fees and had a court ruling to remove the cattle and he refused to do so. Cliven is the person that made the BLM.

    So why dont you show us your source that is evidence that the BLM revoked Bundy's permit?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    43 CFR 4160.4 - Appeals. | LII / Legal Information Institute
    It sure sound like he is out of appeals,
    The only exception might be if BLM made a timing mistake when they revoked his permit.
    Like if the the first fines were issued before the appeals process was completed.
    Highly unlikely.
    No use playing the "what if" game.

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    The BLM banned bundy from any grazing permits after Bundy refused to pay the fees and had a court ruling to remove the cattle and he refused to do so. Cliven is the person that made the BLM.

    So why dont you show us your source that is evidence that the BLM revoked Bundy's permit?
    Everything you need to know about the long fight between Cliven Bundy and the federal government
    The quote from March 1993.
    Bundy has repeatedly been fined for grazing his cattle on the protected land, fines he has not paid since 1993. The Bureau of Land Management, which oversees about 800 grazing areas in Nevada, responded by revoking his permit. Bundy has not applied for a new one.
    The fact that they revoked his permit, says he had a permit.
    They were fining him for grazing cattle on protected land, which he had a permit to do.
    I wonder if they offered fair market value, when they offered to buy his permit?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Just a question, should regulatory agencies be armed like the military, or a SWAT team?
    If they are asked to go up against a bunch of radicals armed with rifles, then yes.
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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If they are asked to go up against a bunch of radicals armed with rifles, then yes.
    Why can't they bring armed law enforcement with them?

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    Re: Feds move in on Nevada rancher's herd over illegal grazing

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle LaValliere View Post
    Why can't they bring armed law enforcement with them?
    I suppose that would be an alternative. What difference would it make?
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