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Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting[W:130, 252, 358 ]

Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

NIMBY said:
Where did Obama and Putin come from in an I$$$A thread with three (3) warnings ?
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Someone said Obama was "too powerful". But the power is not with Obama, it is with the Senate right now, and that may change and we will see that he is not.
 
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apdst said:
Because 501c4 groups arent exclusively limited to social welfare.
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Of course, they're also permitted for local associations of employees... but that's not what you meant now was it.
Here's 26 US Code 501(c)(4)
(A) Civic leagues or organizations not organized for profit but operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare, or local associations of employees, the membership of which is limited to the employees of a designated person or persons in a particular municipality, and the net earnings of which are devoted exclusively to charitable, educational, or recreational purposes.​
 
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1750Texan said:
this statement proves you dont have the slightest idea what that the 5th amendment protects. You have zero proof Ms. Lerner has lied before Congress or zero proof she has obstructed justice.

Zero proof and zero understanding is a bad law.
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She said no wrong doing took place, then took the 5th. Yeah, shes lying about something.
 
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We will see that he is not what?
Del Zeppnile said:
Someone said Obama was "too powerful". But the power is not with Obama, it is with the Senate right now, and that may change and we will see that he is not.
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And I$$$A didn't follow the rules.
What a chump !!
apdst said:
She said no wrong doing took place, then took the 5th. Yeah, shes lying about something.
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Americans have a right to see their IRS agents prosecute rogue 501c-4 groups not wanting to pay tax.
Those RW groups pretending to be like Catholic charities .
apdst said:
Americans have a right to know if IRS agents violated the civil rights of American citizens.
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apdst said:
She said no wrong doing took place, then took the 5th. Yeah, shes lying about something.
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Exactly. You cannot begin your testimony and then take the fifth. Once it's started that means you've accepted the rules, will honestly testify under oath, and respond to questions regarding your testimony..
 
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Mithros said:
Of course, they're also permitted for local associations of employees... but that's not what you meant now was it.
Here's 26 US Code 501(c)(4)
(A) Civic leagues or organizations not organized for profit but operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare, or local associations of employees, the membership of which is limited to the employees of a designated person or persons in a particular municipality, and the net earnings of which are devoted exclusively to charitable, educational, or recreational purposes.​
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You were proven wrong several pages ago.
 
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NIMBY said:
Americans have a right to see their IRS agents prosecute rogue 501c-4 groups not wanting to pay tax.
Those RW groups pretending to be like Catholic charities .
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Not only is that not wjat happened, but the IRS doesnt have the authority to prosecute anyone.
 
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NIMBY said:
And I$$$A didn't follow the rules.
What a chump !!
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What rules didnt he follow?
 
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Grim17 said:
This video is so powerful and makes it clear that there is something to investigate here, that I gave it it's own thread:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...6-those-think-there-no-irs-scanal-listen.html
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Gowdy is the man to watch as a future leader.

People who would ignore the Constitution, as Lerner's supporters are doing, will come to regret it when opposing factions come into power and look to precedents being established by the Democrats today..
 
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tres borrachos said:
Gowdy is one of the smartest guys up there. And he was so spot on with that.
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I've been a Gowdy fan since first seeing him in action but doesn't seem to get the publicity he deserves, at least not from what I can tell. I feel his star will certainly rise. The guy appears to be very smart and absolutely fearless, and America can use a no-nonsense leader like him.
 
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Grant said:
I've been a Gowdy fan since first seeing him in action but doesn't seem to get the publicity he deserves, at least not from what I can tell. I feel his star will certainly rise. The guy appears to be very smart and absolutely fearless, and America can use a no-nonsense leader like him.
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Me too. He was also one Hell of a prosecutor.

He's smart, he's no-nonsense, and he's very conservative. My kind of man.
 
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apdst said:
The 5th Amendment doesnt allow the refusal to answer questions that dont incriminate you. Doing so is obstruction of justice.
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Nice try but this lawyer is being deliberately disengenuous.

One, Lerner was never a "suspect", she was a witness until it was clear she lied. Also, this Lawyer uses a ton of legal examples that have not one wit of relevance to this file as none deals with the subject of a sworn witness who has WAVED her right to the fifth amendment by making an opening statement that claimed others were involved. Having done so, having presented evidence, that evidence must be cross examined.

and further, Lerner hasn't even allowed those questions to be posed, let alone invoking the fifth.

She stands incriminated, something this lawyer, Holder and Obama's die hard propagandists conveniently forget, she has said she had nothing to do with the corruption she herself revealed, admitted to outside of the hearings, her hiding behind the fifth now up there with Nixon's cohorts.


I have no idea what she's, worried about, Obama has his little pen, and her pardon is a done deal.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
Nice try but this lawyer is being deliberately disengenuous.

One, Lerner was never a "suspect", she was a witness until it was clear she lied. Also, this Lawyer uses a ton of legal examples that have not one wit of relevance to this file as none deals with the subject of a sworn witness who has WAVED her right to the fifth amendment by making an opening statement that claimed others were involved. Having done so, having presented evidence, that evidence must be cross examined.

and further, Lerner hasn't even allowed those questions to be posed, let alone invoking the fifth.

She stands incriminated, something this lawyer, Holder and Obama's die hard propagandists conveniently forget, she has said she had nothing to do with the corruption she herself revealed, admitted to outside of the hearings, her hiding behind the fifth now up there with Nixon's cohorts.


I have no idea what she's, worried about, Obama has his little pen, and her pardon is a done deal.
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You mean like Libby's pardon?
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

apdst said:
She said no wrong doing took place, then took the 5th. Yeah, shes lying about something.
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There is a difference in lying and committing purjury. One is a crime.
 
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1750Texan said:
There is a difference in lying and committing purjury. One is a crime.
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Perjury is lying under oath.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

NIMBY said:
Your first sentence is completely unrelated to your second sentence.
Out here in fly-pver coun try, americans are watching GOPees make fools of themselves while embarrassing the USA.
they won't forget this crap in seven months, as moving polls are showing .
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show me these polls....
 
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Real Clear Politics would be a good start for ya .
Travis007 said:
show me these polls....
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Grant said:
Exactly. You cannot begin your testimony and then take the fifth. Once it's started that means you've accepted the rules, will honestly testify under oath, and respond to questions regarding your testimony..
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ok, here is the text of the fifth amendment
now, please share with us within that text, where is says "You cannot begin your testimony and then take the fifth."

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
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justabubba said:
ok, here is the text of the fifth amendment
now, please share with us within that text, where is says "You cannot begin your testimony and then take the fifth."
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She has to invoke her fifth amendment rights immediately. These rights cannot be invoked during testimony, as Lerner tried to do. Once testimony begins she is legally obliged to answer all questions put to her.
 
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