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Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting[W:130, 252, 358 ]

Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

The 5th Amendment doesnt allow the refusal to answer questions that dont incriminate you. Doing so is obstruction of justice.

Who is the arbiter of which question is not incriminating and which question is designed to incriminate? The 5th has no stipulation or distinction in the type of questions that are or are not incriminating.

Questions are not even in the 5th amentment. All the 5th says is that no one will be compelled to be a witness agasint himself.

A Constiutional right [5th amendment] trumps a federal statute 18 USC 1501-5. Obstruction of Justice. Obstruction of Justice is not the same as contempt of Congress. Obstruction of Justice is an ajudicated determination.

If the federal government wishes to procecute Ms. Lerner for obstruction of justice, they most likely will have to do so without her testamony.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

So, you are relying on the information in wikipedia over the information I linked to in the IRS?

From your source, my friend...

"However, a section 501(c)(4) social welfare organization may engage in some political activities, so long as that is not its primary activity."
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

From your source, my friend...

"However, a section 501(c)(4) social welfare organization may engage in some political activities, so long as that is not its primary activity."
I realized that and deleted my post.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Obviously you didn't click on the link then.

You need to click on the link to the PDF, that's on the page you linked to.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopici03.pdf

If you read that, you will find that the term "Social Welfare Organization" is a very broad term that the IRS admits has never been well defined, so the use 501(c)(4) tax exempt status for pretty much any damned organisation.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

I realized that and deleted my post.

Despite your politics, you're a standup guy, sometimes. ;)
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

When will we understand that attacking little boys will not effect the boss man. Obama is far to powerful to succumb to the petty crap the GOP has to play....we need a new game, and this rather pathetic play has me concerned.
Continuing this stupidity will guarantee another 4-8 yrs of submission.

Freakin' Idiots.

Obama powerful???? Obama is a clown, a total joke. I don't think Putin worries about Obama being "powerful".
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

No, its not her right to commit perjury, nor obstruct justice.

She has done neither of those things....and you are committing perjury for saying it.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Who is the arbiter of which question is not incriminating and which question is designed to incriminate? The 5th has no stipulation or distinction in the type of questions that are or are not incriminating.

Questions are not even in the 5th amentment. All the 5th says is that no one will be compelled to be a witness agasint himself.

A Constiutional right [5th amendment] trumps a federal statute 18 USC 1501-5. Obstruction of Justice. Obstruction of Justice is not the same as contempt of Congress. Obstruction of Justice is an ajudicated determination.

If the federal government wishes to procecute Ms. Lerner for obstruction of justice, they most likely will have to do so without her testamony.

You don't have the right to refuse to anawer questions just because yoi don't want to. The 5th sure as hell doesnt give one the right to commit perjury.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

She has done neither of those things....and you are committing perjury for saying it.

Yeah, shes lying her ass off, or she obstructing justice. Both are illegal.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

You don't have the right to refuse to anawer questions just because yoi don't want to. The 5th sure as hell doesnt give one the right to commit perjury.

That is exactly what the 5th amendment is. What do you think the 5th amendment means?
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

That is exactly what the 5th amendment is. What do you think the 5th amendment means?

It means that you cant be made to incriminate yourself and thats ALL it means
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

You don't have the right to refuse to anawer questions just because yoi don't want to.
The 5th sure as hell doesnt give one the right to commit perjury.
Your first sentence has no relation to your second sentence.
think Americans are treating this Kangaroo court the same as the ones with Sebellius and Holder.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Which means you don't even have to say what your job is, as in New Jersey.
Thanks for straightening that out for us .
It means that you cant be made to incriminate yourself and thats ALL it means
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

That is exactly what the 5th amendment is. What do you think the 5th amendment means?

The right wingers think that taking the 5th is the same as admitting guilt. They have no idea what it really means. It's like they emigrated from the USSR and don't have a clue what the American justice system is. It's both sad and funny like a lot they say. I blame the right wing media that has poisoned their minds and made them ripe for a totalitarian state.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Yeah, shes lying her ass off, or she obstructing justice. Both are illegal.


this statement proves you dont have the slightest idea what that the 5th amendment protects. You have zero proof Ms. Lerner has lied before Congress or zero proof she has obstructed justice.

Zero proof and zero understanding is a bad law.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Yeah, shes lying her ass off, or she obstructing justice. Both are illegal.

Prove she's lying her ass off or obstructing justice.
Prove Lerner is acting illegally.
How long has I$$$A failed, how much time has he wasted, how much money has he thrown away ?
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Your first sentence has no relation to your second sentence.
think Americans are treating this Kangaroo court the same as the ones with Sebellius and Holder.

Americans have a right to know if IRS agents violated the civil rights of American citizens.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

It means that you cant be made to incriminate yourself and thats ALL it means

What do you think not answering questions does? Never mind. I know you dont know.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

You need to click on the link to the PDF, that's on the page you linked to.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopici03.pdf

If you read that, you will find that the term "Social Welfare Organization" is a very broad term that the IRS admits has never been well defined, so the use 501(c)(4) tax exempt status for pretty much any damned organisation.

Thanks, I saw that already. But, I disagree it would fit any damned organization. In which category would Karl Rove's Crossroads GPS fit?


Social Welfare Organizations 3
Homeowners' and Tenants' Associations 12
Veterans' Organizations 22
Organizations Supported by Government 23
"Social Welfare" and "Charity" 25
Social and Recreational Activities 27
Business Activities 28
Police and Firefighters' Relief Organizations 32
Health Care Organizations 33
Local Associations of Employees 34
IRC 4958 and Inurement 36
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Where did Obama and Putin come from in an I$$$A thread with three (3) warnings ?
Obama powerful???? Obama is a clown, a total joke. I don't think Putin worries about Obama being "powerful".
 
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Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Americans have a right to know if IRS agents violated the civil rights of American citizens.

That can be accomplished without the testimony of Ms. Lerner. If procecutors want Lerner, they can offer immunity to her subordinates and charge her never needing her testimony.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Your first sentence is completely unrelated to your second sentence.
Out here in fly-pver coun try, americans are watching GOPees make fools of themselves while embarrassing the USA.
they won't forget this crap in seven months, as moving polls are showing .
You don't have the right to refuse to anawer questions just because yoi don't want to.

The 5th sure as hell doesnt give one the right to commit perjury.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

What do you think not answering questions does? Never mind. I know you dont know.

Did you really just ask that? :lamo
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Your first sentence is completely unrelated to your second sentence.
Out here in fly-pver coun try, americans are watching GOPees make fools of themselves while embarrassing the USA.
they won't forget this crap in seven months, as moving polls are showing .

How many times are you going to post that?
 
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