• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting[W:130, 252, 358 ]

Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

i brought it up once i will bring it up again.

But there seems to a serious hitch in the drive to punish Lerner. According the records retrieved by the Congressional Research Service, no American has been successfully prosecuted for invoking their Fifth Amendment rights before Congress.

Congress brought contempt cases 11 times from 1951 to 1968, according the the CRS. Only two of those cases that involved documents -- not personal testimony -- were upheld by the courts.

Most of the cases involved the House Un-American Activities Committee and its communist witch-hunts in the 1950s. But one that is particularly instructive involves a Buffalo, N.Y., woman named Diantha Hoag, who was fired from her factory job after Sen. Joe McCarthy (R-Wis.) and his Senate Committee on Government Operations accused her of being a communist and she pleaded the Fifth.

In that case, Hoag answered many more questions than Lerner did. She listed several places where she had lived, said she worked at a Westinghouse plant, and told committee members that she knew Westinghouse contracted with the military. Lerner never went beyond a short opening statement professing her innocence.

Hoag flatly refused to answer questions about her associates and any communist connections she may have had.

When McCarthy attempted to compel her testimony through the courts, as Issa is now threatening, a judge did not look kindly on the bid, declaring: “I reach the conclusion that the defendant did not waive her privilege under the Fifth Amendment and therefore did not violate the statute in question in refusing to answer the questions propounded to her. Therefore, I find that she is entitled to a judgment of acquittal on all counts.”

Darrell Issa Tries Tactic In IRS Probe Last Used In McCarthyism
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Hardly. So, who spends the most on campaigns? The right or the left?

Have you been watching 2014 so far?
After 40 million or so, the Kochs are butt-hurt at a few million back at 'em.
They have to whine in op-eds they buy and have ghost-written.
The Kochs are the face of the GOP this year and that's why Senate races have stabilized and turned around . :lamo
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

GOP election talking point--all we're getting now even from normals.

You brought spending into this. Not me.

GOPs trying to keep hope alive versus serious governing .

So the serious governing form this president, this administration, and the Senate Majority are quite correctly dashing the hope of the electorate? Yeah, I can see that.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

That was I$$$A's mistake and Cantor/Boehner know it.
Let's go to court on this one too.
Nice change in the worthless GOP House of NO since 2011 . :lamo
But, she made a speech before pleading the 5th. That is not allowed.
Had she just plead the 5th off the bat, she'd be in the clear, so to speak. But, she didn't. So, she isn't.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

you might want to read the story before falling for the some lib headline.. its still incriminating to the IRS and Dems...

Issa "tactics" are still nothing compared the Dem law breaking..

but the article condemns issa for using tactics similar to those to joseph mccarthy.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

That was I$$$A's mistake and Cantor/Boehner know it.
Let's go to court on this one too.
Nice change in the worthless GOP House of NO since 2011 . :lamo

Sometimes, I wish even you knew what you were talking about.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

You brought spending into this. Not me.
The OP brought spending into this thread.
Pay attention--501c-4 is about right-wing GOP election groups wanting to be non-profits like real Catholic charities.

So the serious governing form this president, this administration, and the Senate Majority are quite correctly dashing the hope of the electorate? Yeah, I can see that.
Where is that GOP health care plan again?
You know, the House of Horrors that starts all spending.
And oh how TEAs trashed Paul Ryan's budget, for all the wrong reasons . :lamo
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

but the article condemns issa for using tactics similar to those to joseph mccarthy.

Yes, and we constantly compare people to hitler too. But, if it weren't for him, we wouldn't have the Volkswagen.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Have you been watching 2014 so far?
After 40 million or so, the Kochs are butt-hurt at a few million back at 'em.
They have to whine in op-eds they buy and have ghost-written.
The Kochs are the face of the GOP this year and that's why Senate races have stabilized and turned around . :lamo

See now. That's the thing. The Kochs are the ones that are going around and spending the most on elections.

Video Link

Despite predictions that right-wing money would flood the political system after the Supreme Court threw out key campaign finance laws, a survey finds that left-leaning groups, led by labor unions, outspent conservative donors like the billionaire Koch brothers in state political advertising wars last year.

Outside groups — nonprofits, super PACs, business and labor groups, and private individuals — spent at least $209 million to influence state-level elections in the 38 states in the 2012 election cycle. Money funneled through party groups such as the Democratic Governors Association and Republican Governors Association accounted for nearly 40 percent of the $209 million.

The study, released this week by the watchdog group the Center for Public Integrity, also found that groups supportive of Democrats, led by labor unions, outpaced their GOP rivals by more than $8 million in those states, spending some $44 million to aid Democratic campaigns.

The findings were based on an analysis of data compiled by the National Institute on Money in State Politics and state elections offices. It focused on the states that had significant gubernatorial and state legislative races last year and had data on campaign giving.
Forget the Koch brothers: Labor unions took advantage of easier campaign finance laws - Washington Times

So if you are saying that the Kochs are 'the Kochs are butt-hurt at a few million back at 'em', I'm just wondering how much more than that it really is, just hidden from sight, and not reported on by the Biased Lame Stream Media.

What's gonna happen is gonna happen, regardless of anything I do, regardless of what anyone posts on this forum.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

but the article condemns issa for using tactics similar to those to joseph mccarthy.

who cares... if some lib shill writes a fluff piece on the Hufpo...
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

So if you are saying that the Kochs are 'the Kochs are butt-hurt at a few million back at 'em', I'm just wondering how much more than that it really is, just hidden from sight, and not reported on by the Biased Lame Stream Media.
Lame-stream-media---P-Alinsky.
Questioning spending numbers is like questioning ACA numbers--birth certificates--science--you know the routine--

What's gonna happen is gonna happen, regardless of anything I do, regardless of what anyone posts on this forum.
Then why post?
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

The OP brought spending into this thread.
Pay attention--501c-4 is about right-wing GOP election groups wanting to be non-profits like real Catholic charities.


Where is that GOP health care plan again?
You know, the House of Horrors that starts all spending.
And oh how TEAs trashed Paul Ryan's budget, for all the wrong reasons . :lamo

And all this has what exactly to do with "Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting of True the Vote"?

Or are you just on a general rant suitable for ignoring?
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Sometimes, I wish even you knew what you were talking about.

Hes just spouting Pelosis blast tweets..
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Look around the board sometime.
The vast majority of the hitler comparisons come from the RW.
You don't get a pass on that one .
Yes, and we constantly compare people to hitler too. But, if it weren't for him, we wouldn't have the Volkswagen.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

You go off rails and then accuse others of going off rails.
I'll leave you to play with travis and keymanjim--see ya
And all this has what exactly to do with "Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting of True the Vote"?

Or are you just on a general rant suitable for ignoring?
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Look around the board sometime.
The vast majority of the hitler comparisons come from the RW.
You don't get a pass on that one .

How many of them are wrong?
That's a rhetorical question.
That means you don't have to answer.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

You go off rails and then accuse others of going off rails.
I'll leave you to play with travis and keymanjim--see ya

I, for one, accept your surrender.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

The IRS "scandal" is a bunch of made-up nonsense.

You really believe that the IRS scandal is a bunch of made up nonsense. Please take 11 minutes to watch this video of the founder of True the Vote Katherine Engelbrecht. Then tell me this is all made up.She is on the President's Enemy List for sure.

 
Last edited:
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

Lame-stream-media---P-Alinsky.
Questioning spending numbers is like questioning ACA numbers--birth certificates--science--you know the routine--


Then why post?

Therapy. Seems to help from getting really, really pissed off at how ****ed up our government and society has become. No one's really interested in discussing it in real life.
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

You really believe that the IRS scandal is a bunch of made up nonsense. Please take 11 minutes to watch this video of the founder of True the Vote Katherine Engelbrecht. Then tell me this is all made up.



We will not be silenced! This woman should run for political office. She's got my vote.
 
Re: Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting of True the V

now we know why Cummings is fighting this so much....

wow...the house cards for the Libs is about to explode..

Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting of True the Vote | WashingtonExaminer.com

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., has accused the panel's top Democrat of prompting the Internal Revenue Service in 2012 to target a conservative organization applying for nonprofit status.

Issa said records obtained last week from the IRS show communications from the office of ranking member Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., about True the Vote, a Texas-based, nonprofit conservative group that aims to prevent voter fraud.

The communications at one point involved Lois Lerner, the ex-IRS official who Issa's panel is poised to hold in contempt of Congress on Thursday for refusing to provide testimony about her involvement in targeting conservative groups.

snip......

So, let me get this straight...

Of all the Conservative non-profit out there, Rep. Issa has pinged on one- True the Vote - and among all the digging he and his staff have done to date the only possible "link" he's dug up that connects an ex-IRS official to possible wrong doing are two lines in an email that read:

Lois Lerner: “Did we find anything?”

Deputy IRS Official: "No."

Lois Lerner: Thanks – check tomorrow please.”

That's it? That's the best Rep. Issa could do after months of investigative work and public hearings at the taxpayers' expense? Really?

Don't get me wrong, on the surface the dialog clearly shows Lerner was looking into True the Vote, but does this in itself indicate something malicious or was it part of normal, routine business? For all we know that inquiry could have been a routine question asked about any non-profit applicant in the course of a typical workday. In this case, isn't it possible that: a) Lerner was inquiring about one of several other non-profits in that email or were they the only such non-profit organization mentioned?; or b) Lerner was following up on that status of an inquiry that involved True the Vote as part of normal, routine business. The point I'm trying to make here, folks, is unless we know more details as to the content of the email Rep. Issa claims to have uncovered, we really don't know if this particular email is the "smoking gun". From the sounds of it, this doesn't amount to much except Rep. Issa trying to claim "we got something!" which really doesn't appear to be much of anything in my book.
 
Re: Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting of True the V

So, let me get this straight...

Of all the Conservative non-profit out there, Rep. Issa has pinged on one- True the Vote - and among all the digging he and his staff have done to date the only possible "link" he's dug up that connects an ex-IRS official to possible wrong doing are two lines in an email that read:



That's it? That's the best Rep. Issa could do after months of investigative work and public hearings at the taxpayers' expense? Really?

For all we know that could have been a routine question asked about any non-profit applicant in the course of a typical workday. In this case, isn't it possible that: a) Lerner was inquiring about one of several other non-profits in that email or were they the only such non-profit organization mentioned?; or b) Lerner was following up on that status of an inquiry that involved True the Vote as part of normal, routine business. The point I'm trying to make here, folks, is unless we know more details as to the content of the email Rep. Issa claims to have uncovered, we really don't know if this particular email is the "smoking gun". From the sounds of it, this doesn't amount to much except Rep. Issa trying to claim "we got something!" which really doesn't appear to be much of anything in my book.

That is not all they found. The problem is the the IRS is stonewalling. They still have not turned over all the emails that were requested many months ago. Why? what the hell are they trying to hide?
 
Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

We will not be silenced! This woman should run for political office. She's got my vote.

:roll:
 
Back
Top Bottom