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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

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    There is a difference in lying and committing purjury. One is a crime.
    Perjury is lying under oath.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Your first sentence is completely unrelated to your second sentence.
    Out here in fly-pver coun try, americans are watching GOPees make fools of themselves while embarrassing the USA.
    they won't forget this crap in seven months, as moving polls are showing .
    show me these polls....

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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Real Clear Politics would be a good start for ya .
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    show me these polls....
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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Exactly. You cannot begin your testimony and then take the fifth. Once it's started that means you've accepted the rules, will honestly testify under oath, and respond to questions regarding your testimony..
    ok, here is the text of the fifth amendment
    now, please share with us within that text, where is says "You cannot begin your testimony and then take the fifth."

    "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ok, here is the text of the fifth amendment
    now, please share with us within that text, where is says "You cannot begin your testimony and then take the fifth."
    She has to invoke her fifth amendment rights immediately. These rights cannot be invoked during testimony, as Lerner tried to do. Once testimony begins she is legally obliged to answer all questions put to her.

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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    She has to invoke her fifth amendment rights immediately. These rights cannot be invoked during testimony, as Lerner tried to do. Once testimony begins she is legally obliged to answer all questions put to her.
    I've heard that Lerner had to have invoked immediately, but on what is this based?

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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I've heard that Lerner had to have invoked immediately, but on what is this based?
    You can not plead the fifth on testimony that pertains to any other person, it is only for protection from self incrimination. When she chose to state that she had done nothing wrong to begin her testimony she waived the right to plead the fifth because that testimony of her innocence, if true, would negate the purpose of the Fifth, and if false she lied to congress.

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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I've heard that Lerner had to have invoked immediately, but on what is this based?
    We cannot invoke the Fifth during testimony, otherwise they may as well not bother with it. Once testimony begins we cannot take the fifth on some questions but not on others.

    Had Lerner advised the court earlier she would have been legally using her constitutional right.

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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    She has to invoke her fifth amendment rights immediately. These rights cannot be invoked during testimony, as Lerner tried to do. Once testimony begins she is legally obliged to answer all questions put to her.
    where does the fifth amendment say that?
    point it out
    or be found - wrong (again)
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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    where does the fifth amendment say that?
    point it out

    or be found - wrong (again)
    Yes. As you've probably noticed, anyone testifying under oath can refuse to answer questions any time they want, pleading the fifth, and deciding which questions they will answer and which ones they won't. It happens all the time.

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