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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because 501c4 groups arent exclusively limited to social welfare.
    according to what source?
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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Then, why is Lerner pleading the 5th?
    As I previously stated it is her right and cooperating with a partisan fishing expedition is never a good idea. Just ask Cristie's cohorts.

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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're wrong.
    Obviously you didn't click on the link then.


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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Obviously you didn't click on the link then.
    I don't need to!

    " 501(c)(4) organizations may inform the public on controversial subjects and attempt to influence legislation relevant

    to its program [43] and, unlike 501(c)(3) organizations, they may also participate in political campaigns and elections, as long as their primary activity is the

    promotion of social welfare."


    501(c) organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I already know you're misinterpretting the in formation.
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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    As I previously stated it is her right and cooperating with a partisan fishing expedition is never a good idea. Just ask Cristie's cohorts.
    No, its not her right to commit perjury, nor obstruct justice.
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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, its not her right to commit perjury, nor obstruct justice.
    She has not been convicted of either charge.
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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The 5th Amendment doesnt allow the refusal to answer questions that dont incriminate you. Doing so is obstruction of justice.
    Who is the arbiter of which question is not incriminating and which question is designed to incriminate? The 5th has no stipulation or distinction in the type of questions that are or are not incriminating.

    Questions are not even in the 5th amentment. All the 5th says is that no one will be compelled to be a witness agasint himself.

    A Constiutional right [5th amendment] trumps a federal statute 18 USC 1501-5. Obstruction of Justice. Obstruction of Justice is not the same as contempt of Congress. Obstruction of Justice is an ajudicated determination.

    If the federal government wishes to procecute Ms. Lerner for obstruction of justice, they most likely will have to do so without her testamony.


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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    So, you are relying on the information in wikipedia over the information I linked to in the IRS?
    From your source, my friend...

    "However, a section 501(c)(4) social welfare organization may engage in some political activities, so long as that is not its primary activity."
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    From your source, my friend...

    "However, a section 501(c)(4) social welfare organization may engage in some political activities, so long as that is not its primary activity."
    I realized that and deleted my post.


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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Obviously you didn't click on the link then.
    You need to click on the link to the PDF, that's on the page you linked to.

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopici03.pdf

    If you read that, you will find that the term "Social Welfare Organization" is a very broad term that the IRS admits has never been well defined, so the use 501(c)(4) tax exempt status for pretty much any damned organisation.

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