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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Then why the lies and 5th ammendment pleas ?
    I don't know. She could be covering up her own incompetence. If it were me testifying in front of Darrell Issa, I might do the the same thing. It's evident to me and others that Issa is not interested in the truth, he's interested in nailing Obama the truth be damned.


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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I don't know. She could be covering up her own incompetence. If it were me testifying in front of Darrell Issa, I might do the the same thing. It's evident to me and others that Issa is not interested in the truth, he's interested in nailing Obama the truth be damned.
    Huh ??

    She's pleading the fifth because she was incompetent ?

    Allot of criminals are incompetent. Its why they're criminals but it's not a legitimate defense.
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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Yes, something did happen. The IRS, in a ham-fisted way of sorting through the deluge of applications for 501(c)(4) status, used certain keywords to filter organizations for extra scrutiny to make sure they weren't attempting to skirt tax law.
    And the "improper" part mentioned in the Treasury report was using keywords.

    Because doing so caused some groups to be scrutinized who shouldnt have been and allowed some wbo should have been to slip by.

    Treasury said EVERY groups should be scrutinized based on their activities rather than their namez.

    Which may have been worse for the repubs because of rampant abuse of the 501 (c)(4) classification.
    And lets not forget that the STATUTE forbids ANY election intervention activity for (4)s.
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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The IRS "scandal" is a bunch of made-up nonsense.
    Proven incorrect, by the IRS itself.
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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Anyone else amused that every leftist in this thread has completely ignored the Cummings/Lerner connection?
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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Because the law was applied unevenly in favor of liberal and progressive organizations.

    It's surreal watching the left scream bloody murder about how the Citizens United SCOTUS decision ended free elections forever and then watch them try and argue that the uneven application of the very law that Citizens United expanded is no big deal.
    There is not one iota of evidence that indicates that the law was unevenly applied. In fact, all investigations seem to indicate that the IRS bent over backwards to apply the law evenly when it was being abused unevenly.

    No one can argue that Republican leaning groups made a huge push to funnel money into elections through 501c4 front groups leading up to and immediately after the citizens united decision. They did this purely to influence elections without disclosure. Liberal groups were not as well funded, and their funding mainly went into traditional 527 PACs.

    The bulk of the increase of 501c4 groups were conservative groups. Among them were groups which were clearly misrepresenting their intentions to violate the law, groups which did not understand the restrictions on 501c4's and applied when they shouldn't have, groups which were formed to do activities which the IRS had previously allowed but were in violation of the actual law, and legitimate 501c4 groups with a political lean.

    To try to deal with this in a fair and balance manner while understaffed and under funded, the IRS issued BOLO lists which targeted groups with political buzzwords in their names. This was a shortcut, aimed at quickly separating political groups from legitimate 501c4s. These included words like Tea Party, 9/12, Patriots as well as Progressive and Occupy. The IRS deemed this to be improper.

    Yes, I was EXTREMELY concerned when I heard the first headlines. The politicization of the IRS should concern every American citizen regardless of party. So I looked into it, with an open mind, completely expecting the IRS to be in the wrong. I went through the groups they had processed and examined them myself. I did a statistical analysis of what I found. Instead of the expected bias against conservatives, my data indicated a bias against liberals; understandablly considering they were much fewer in number. Sure the IRS screwed up....but in a way that's totally understandable for overwhelmed and confused bureaucrats attempting to regulate something completely out of their expertise. These were your friends and neighbors who were just doing the best that they could.

    And as a reality check, Obama is an outstanding politician. Anyone thinks that delaying the application of 20 or so TeaParty groups for a status they didn't have to apply for is an idiot, and doesn't have the political sense to get elected to dogcatcher. (in anywhere except New Jersey where they seem to like that sort of thing)

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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Or paranoid ones. Even IF the IRS "scandal" turns out to be real, the idea that it "swayed the election" is insane.
    The IRS has admitted it's real.
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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    After the revelations I've heard in the last 2 days, not only is the IRS not "not a scandal", it is far, far worse and more corrupt then I had imagined.

    Normally I would confront those on the left and expect condemnation, which of course almost never comes... not this time though. I have come to the realization that this level of political corruption and abuse of power for political gain, won't be condemned by the Democrats in Washington, or by most liberals and progressives, because this is exactly the kind of government they actually want to have. They want this type of abuse of power to crush anyone who opposes their agenda.

    Congratulations goes out to everyone on the left... Your efforts to silence criticism by any means, reached heights that never in my life would I have ever imagined you would have, so my hat's off too you... This is what you have wanted, and you damned sure got it... Of course my condolences go out to the overwhelming majority of freedom-loving Americans who have just learned that the country is far closer to the communist dictatorship and socialist ****hole that the left has supported and pushed for, than they ever imagined it was.

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    The radical right wings agenda will be crushed alright but not thru abuse of power but at the ballot box. You should be more afraid of that than any trumped up scandal.

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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Why do some continue to repeat this meme: The left continues "to silence criticism by any means" when in this specific instance it has been the right as exemplified by Darrel Issa who has time after time refused to release full documentation, preferring instead to push out edited and redacted documentation. It has been Issa who has held meetings without telling his Democratic committee members.


    Once again the right accuses their opponents of the very tactics they, the right, are using. All in an attempt to draw attention away from the continuing failures of their efforts to take down the present Administration
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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