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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    The way these right wing noise stories are written is what keeps you guys going. For this story to have real meaning we would need to know the number of conservative vs liberal orgs, how many occupy wall street orgs there were, and how unprecendented review is defined. You will also notice the story says "some liberal groups were singeled out for scrutiny, evidence shows it was due to non political reasons. It does not say evidence shows the RW ones were, jsut the left ones werent. If you read this story and really want to believe you sure could.
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    IRS agents testified before Congress that the agency’s political targeting did not apply to progressive groups as Democrats and the media have claimed, according to a bombshell new staff report prepared by the House Oversight Committee chairman, Rep. Darrell Issa.

    IRS agents testified before Oversight that ACORN groups were scrutinized because the agency thought they were old organizations applying as new ones. Emerge America was scrutinized for potential “improper private benefit.” No evidence exists that the IRS requested additional information from any Occupy Wall Street group.

    “Only seven applications in the IRS backlog contained the word ‘progressive,’ all of which were then approved by the IRS, while Tea Party groups received unprecedented review and experienced years-long delays. While some liberal-oriented groups were singled out for scrutiny, evidence shows it was due to non-political reasons,” according to the Oversight staff report



    Read more: Committee report: No progressive groups were targeted by IRS | The Daily Caller



    wrong.. not one did they reuqest any info on...
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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No they aren't. Not without losing their tax exempt status.



    They are allowed to spend money on advocating political positions.

    But do I take it that you think Citizens United SCOTUS decision was no big deal? It's one of the problems that the Dems face in this debate, on the one the scream that CU decision was the end of free elections, and on the other they want to argue that denying 501(c)(4) participation is no big deal. They can't have it both ways.



    Nope. You haven't actually made a point worth considering yet, and if you made that point to me in the past I can see why it was forgettable.
    527s are tax exempt. Political groups which are trying to game the system aren't in danger of losing their tax exempt status, they're only in danger of releasing their donor lists like everyone else.

    Lets be honest, and drop all of this tiresome partisan bullsh*t. This entire "scandal" is about protecting the anonymity of the super rich who want free speech without any repercussions. You support this ONLY because these uber rich donors support candidates that play for the Republicans, which happen to be your favorite sports team. If these uber rich donors were supporting Democrats you'd be screaming bloody murder, especially if they were advocating the same positions.

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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Did you suddenly realize there really is not evidence at this point requiring personal attacks? Ok, well I think it is time to move along.
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    try to read it without Obama blinders on next time..
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    well thats makes sense since facts and you cant coexist..
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    Liberals ARE LIARS.
    That much CAN be proven over and over and over again.

    From Obamas pathological promises to Al Sharpton's lies about when and how he became a FBI informant, the left relies on spouting misinformation because they know their followers are low information ideologues.
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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No they aren't. Not without losing their tax exempt status.



    They are allowed to spend money on advocating political positions.

    But do I take it that you think Citizens United SCOTUS decision was no big deal? It's one of the problems that the Dems face in this debate, on the one the scream that CU decision was the end of free elections, and on the other they want to argue that denying 501(c)(4) participation is no big deal. They can't have it both ways.



    Nope. You haven't actually made a point worth considering yet, and if you made that point to me in the past I can see why it was forgettable.
    The reason the groups were seeking IRS 501c4 status wasn't just because of the tax exempt status, it was because they could keep their donors anonymous. They could have gotten tax exempt status through IRS 527, but with that they have to divulge their donors.


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    Re: Darrell Issa: Emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting of True the V

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Well these E-mails explain Cummings eruption the last time this Committee met.
    He's getting desperate and so is Holder so are Obama's minions.
    It may be grounds to consider criminal charges against Cummings for obstruction of justice.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So in your warped world you justify the biased application of the law because those who were stonewalled shouldn't be allowed anyway? Do you have any idea how dangerous your thinking is?
    What were the results of that bias? Nothing. No harm no foul.

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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    527s are tax exempt. Political groups which are trying to game the system aren't in danger of losing their tax exempt status, they're only in danger of releasing their donor lists like everyone else.

    Lets be honest, and drop all of this tiresome partisan bullsh*t. This entire "scandal" is about protecting the anonymity of the super rich who want free speech without any repercussions. You support this ONLY because these uber rich donors support candidates that play for the Republicans, which happen to be your favorite sports team. If these uber rich donors were supporting Democrats you'd be screaming bloody murder, especially if they were advocating the same positions.
    Yup, that's EXACTLY correct.


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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    What were the results of that bias? Nothing. No harm no foul.


    here is the reuslts


    The IRS Conservative Targeting Scandal involved:

    •Hundreds of conservative groups were targeted
    •At least 5 pro-Israel groups
    •Constitutional groups
    •Groups that criticized Obama administration
    •At least two pro-life groups
    •An 83 year-old Nazi concentration camp survivor
    •A 180 year-old Baptist paper
    •A Texas voting-rights group
    •A Hollywood conservative group was targeted and harassed
    •Conservative activists and businesses
    •At least one conservative Hispanic group
    •IRS continued to target groups even after the scandal was exposed
    •And… 100% of the 501(c)(4) Groups Audited by IRS Were Conservative

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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    What? There was no blocking of anything and no taxes even paid. The groups were not even required to make the applications that were delayed. You are lying to make a big deal out of what is essentially NOTHING.
    The law is wrongly written and needs to be changed though. I doubt you agree because it unfairly benefits more conservative groups than other factions. To be truly fair, all political groups should be paying taxes on their income.
    The groups who had their applications delayed had to get tax exempt status so their donors would be able to deduct their donations from their taxes.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Issa uncovers the smoking gun int he IRS targeting of conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    What were the results of that bias? Nothing. No harm no foul.
    American citizens were denied the right to equal treatment under the law.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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