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Mass stabbing at US school.

If you think that's what a follower is then you don't know the meaning of the word. Or do you seriously think that no one that believes in things that you don't can't think on their own?

As I said earlier, when the left stops using tragedies to advance thier anti-gun agenda's then I will stop doing so also. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

You're a follower of Alinsky's theory. It's kind of like saying those who support universal healthcare are socialists even if they don't actually support socialism. :)
 
You're a follower of Alinsky's theory. It's kind of like saying those who support universal healthcare are socialists even if they don't actually support socialism. :)

And what is Alinsky's theory? Please provide quote and link please. ;)
 
And what is Alinsky's theory? Please provide quote and link please. ;)

Saul Alinsky

"Rule 10: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. Avoid being trapped by an opponent or an interviewer who says, "Okay, what would you do?"

This rule of Alinsky’s was paraphrased by the Obama’s Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, "never let a good crisis go to waste." Obama has used the oil spill crisis as an excuse to spew green rhetoric and promote his cap-and-trade bill.

Alinsky’s most useful tactic involves creating a good versus evil scenario. It is not about fixing the problem, it is about blaming someone -- in this case BP and their Chief Executive officer Tony Hayward. On June 12, Obama told British Prime Minister Cameron that BP would have to put $20 billion into an account to pay for "environmental and economic damages" caused from their spill. Less than a week later, Texas Rep. Joe Barton, of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce, blasted Obama for forcing a private business to be the victim of a "$20 billion shakedown." Barton went on to say, "There is no question that BP is liable for the damages, but we have a due process system." Barton raises a good point but "due process" certainly would not have stopped Saul Alinsky and it will probably not stop Obama.

You're an Alinskydrone if I've ever seen one. Your first reflex was to take advantage of the crisis.
 
You're a follower of Alinsky's theory. It's kind of like saying those who support universal healthcare are socialists even if they don't actually support socialism. :)
A lot of people missed his point, he was pointing out what it looks like when someone jumps right out and makes a statement of that nature, it's a mimic technique. I see a lot of folks didn't like those statements, IOW, the point landed(I hope) with people who do make that statement when a politically charged issue goes straight to the gun control talking points. If I thought for a second that Kal was being serious with that statement I would be there with the people condemning it, as is I think people should take notice of the way it sounds when it comes from across the aisle to them.

When issued seriously, it's a God awful thing to say. As I've named it "dancing on the graves", and is the height of disrespectful.
 
A lot of people missed his point, he was pointing out what it looks like when someone jumps right out and makes a statement of that nature, it's a mimic technique. I see a lot of folks didn't like those statements, IOW, the point landed(I hope) with people who do make that statement when a politically charged issue goes straight to the gun control talking points. If I thought for a second that Kal was being serious with that statement I would be there with the people condemning it, as is I think people should take notice of the way it sounds when it comes from across the aisle to them.

When issued seriously, it's a God awful thing to say. As I've named it "dancing on the graves", and is the height of disrespectful.

Very few in this thread have gotten it. Thank you.
 
A lot of people missed his point, he was pointing out what it looks like when someone jumps right out and makes a statement of that nature, it's a mimic technique. I see a lot of folks didn't like those statements, IOW, the point landed(I hope) with people who do make that statement when a politically charged issue goes straight to the gun control talking points. If I thought for a second that Kal was being serious with that statement I would be there with the people condemning it, as is I think people should take notice of the way it sounds when it comes from across the aisle to them.

When issued seriously, it's a God awful thing to say. As I've named it "dancing on the graves", and is the height of disrespectful.

And I'm mimicking people who take advantage of a crisis to further a political stance. Aren't they called Alisnkyists?
 
And I'm mimicking people who take advantage of a crisis to further a political stance. Aren't they called Alisnkyists?
If they are serious, you bet. I took his point as a "this is how you sound, please stop" example, and notably, a lot of people were PO'd, but the thing is, those same people dismissed it when it came from their side of the aisle. Using crises for political game is wrong, and it is in fact an Alinsky tactic.
 
If they are serious, you bet. I took his point as a "this is how you sound, please stop" example, and notably, a lot of people were PO'd, but the thing is, those same people dismissed it when it came from their side of the aisle. Using crises for political game is wrong, and it is in fact an Alinsky tactic.

So every right winger who did it here is an Alinsky adherent? Or just the leftists that do it? ;)
 
So every right winger who did it here is an Alinsky adherent? Or just the leftists that do it? ;)
If they were serious, yeah, you could call it an Alinskyite tactic, I didn't take that as the case this time.
 
Sorry that I don't have as strong a reaction to what happened as you do. :shrug: I may feel sorry for the victims.....

You posted fortysomething times in this thread......

Its a good thing you didn't strongly react here. :roll:
 
What about the media? I was half joking in my OP about the TV Show the Following but in reality its a very violent show in which there are lots of mass stabbings. Do you think Western governments should regulate media more or is it the responsibility of the parents to make sure their kids are not watching these type of shows.

Responsibility of the parents. Beyond a time of day restriction, there should be no censorship.
 
At least there was no armed security at the school. That would be evil and would take money from salary raises for the school administrators.

Right, because they were so helpful at Columbine and Virginia Tech.
 
[sarcasm] It's obvious what must be done. We must outlaw metal silverware in this country. There is no reason we cannot get used to plastic ware, after all, think of the children. [/sarcasm]
 
Cool...you continue to demonstrate a similar mentality to a 3rd grader at recess going "I know you are but what am I" and I'll continue to show indignation towards people who from moment one of a tragedy attempt to manipulate and exploit the harm and death of children for the sake of their pathetic devotion to a political agenda regardless of their side. Whatever excuse you wish to tell yourself to convince yourself, wrongly, that you're any different than those on "the left" doing it "every single time a mass shooting happened" is up to you. And if you want to delude yourself into believing that makes you different, more power to you. If you want to think anyone else is buying your excuse as anything OTHER than an excuse, then you're going to need to create another lie in your head for you to believe.

These events are horrible, and there's absolutely discussions to be had on a multitude of issues in their wake...AND there's even plenty to talk about regarding thet REACTIONS people have to these horrible events in their wake as well. However, the pathetic slobbering need demonstrated by some on both the left and the right to attempt to strike when the emotional iron is hot and when people are at their lowest point of logical thinking due to that emotion is just disgusting in my mind. Not only is it disgusting, but it removes any legitimate ability to have reasonable, adult, logical conversations about the issues that may relate to this because before you get to a point where such is possible you already have both sides acting like monkey's in a zoo flinging poop at each other. Why? Becuase both sides have folks who can't contain the excitement of seeing some kids die so they can take up the battle flag for their particular side in this war and rush off to sling their sarcastic quips and stereotypes talking points.

The reality is, in many of these threads, sadly it's a coin flip as to which side is going to explode in macabre glee over the fact that they get to push their agenda. Neither side holds the higher ground on this, which is just a microcosm for the sickness that permeates our culture these days. I feel for these kids, as I did for many of the past victims of these mass forms of violence. Not only for the attrocity perpetrated against them today, but for the raping of their tragedy that people like you and others do in the name of your no-holds-barred devotion to a political agenda.

Damn, I'm glad it wasn't my ass that got fried this time. LOL.
 
Sorry that I don't have as strong a reaction to what happened as you do. :shrug: I may feel sorry for the victims, but I'm not going to devote an entire thread on a debate site to nothing but "OMG I FEEL SOOO SORRY FOR THEM!". .

But you WILL devote over 40 posts to the subject attempting to twist the event to fit your own extremist political needs while lying continuously about your actions.

What an odd set of priorities you have.
 
I'm surprised nobody overtook him sooner?!

It does seem odd on the surface. You think somebody could have just thrown a chair from behind him to knock him out.

But in reality a lot of junior and senior high schools become packed like sardines between and before classes. How quick can an adult teacher get through panic teens running in the opposite direction? Even if you had a gun unless you are point blank with him how can you fire a shot without taking out an innocent student.

But an adult teacher did take him out so it is hard to predict how many more could have been knifed if not for the fast thinking teacher.

Unfortunately we will see this again.
 
Just got up and was happy to see no deaths thus far! Hopefully the victims are out of the woods and will make a full recovery.

Anyway sorry to interrupt carry on with whatever you were doing before.
 
I keeping seeing that this kid was referred to by other kids and adults at that schoolas being "shy" and "really shy" and he "always kept to himself".

Didn't people say the same thing about Lanza?

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I was shy and may have kept to myself (would depend how we are defining that) in high school, and I'd probably been pretty pissed off if people were trying to tell me that is wrong, and makes you "dangerous."
 
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You need to learn the difference between making a valid point vs de-railing a thread.
But you weren't making a valid point. You were mocking a different political view. You've even admitted this.
As I said earlier, when the left stops using tragedies to advance thier anti-gun agenda's then I will stop doing so also. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
This thread was about the tragedy at a school. You de-railed it to score political points against an opposing view. I know exactly what derailing a thread is and I also know you did it intentionally.
Particularly when it comes to a debate site like DebatePolitics.com. The very name of the forum should give you a clue as to the kind of posting style that is going to be focused on.
But you weren't debating the topic, you were derailing it in order to worship at the alter of the firearm. You derailed it to mock an opposing viewpoint. Some might even question as to whether a rule was violated, given that you intentionally derailed a thread by mocking others. Now, given the fact you're a G-Mod and the rules claim you're held to a higher standard than others, I'm going to guess it wasn't, but some might still question.

Incorrect statement since being pro-gun is specifically about the right to defend one self with guns.
But your first post was not about the tragedy, your first post was about the firearm/mocking the gun control supporters. Here were your posts, in order:

Uh oh! Mass Stabbings! Better make reasonable laws on restricting kid's access to knives! I'd suggest requiring safes with biometric locks for all knives larger than 2 inches. Also they should ban all felons (violent or not) from owning any knives.
Prayers going to all families involved.
What?! I personally am just expressing the same type of concern for our children's safety that anti-gun folks exhibit in times of such horrid occurances.

The first thing you thought when you saw this thread, 5 minutes after it was posted, was not to express concern for those involved, but rather to mock those of a different political viewpoint. Your priorities were gun first, people second. And then, almost without fail, every post after has been about guns.

So, as I said before: "I'll just never understand those who care more about the gun than they do human lives. And that's the closest I intend to come to discussing gun control."
 
A lot of people missed his point

No one missed his point. His point was idiotic, done poorly, and had a clear agenda to it OTHER condemning people "dancing on graves".

Kal jumped at the chance to use injured children to make a political point. The only reason you don't see it as "dancing on graves" is because you agree with his political point as opposed to others.

The left is hardly the only side that "jumps right out" and and makes statements that goes straight to political talking points as well. In this very thread, for instance, you had MULTIPLE people immedietely jumping to political talking points.

You seemingly consider it "dancing on the graves" simply because they push a political point you disagree with, as I've not seen you previously...or here...demonstrate any concern or care about people making political points you DO agree with immedietely upon these incidents.

So what? Your side gets to rape the memory of children in tragedy, but shame on the liberals who do it, because they're politics is bad and your politics is good?

How is this ANY different than a liberal coming in and going after a shooting and going "Clearly we need less gun regulation and assault rifles shouldn't be banned. :roll:". Would you accuse them of pushing a political agenda and suggesting that we need more regulation? Or would you just chalk it up as a "mimic technique" where they are pointing out what it looks like when someone jumps right out and makes a statement of that nature.

Kal did use a mimic technique....to capitalize on the injuring of school children IMMEDIETELY following a tragic event to push a political agenda.

But hey, it was pro-gun....so apparently that river dance is a-okay.
 
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