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Mass stabbing at US school.

Somerville said:
Highly doubtful about a "gang related" problem. This school is in an upper middle income area.
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Interesting that you should mention the income of the area. Come to think of it, almost all such school rampages seem to have been in upper income areas. Off the top of my head, I can on remember two that were not:

- One murdered, several wounded in a high school located in a working class suburb of San Diego (I lived in the area at the time)
- Ambush in an elementary school parking lot in a rural area that my impression was mostly lower income. About two teachers and two students killed.

Even the shooter in the Virginia Tech mass murder was apparently from an upper middle class background.
 
Wiggen said:
So, in your world, having kids stabbed but not killed is just as big a tragedy as having kids cut to pieces by a semi automatic rifle? Interesting.
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Yes. And apparently in your world you find kids being stabbed is less of a tragedy. Interesting indeed.
 
Lursa said:
You should read, or see the movie, "We Have to Talk about Kevin." It's a really good examination into the minds of these teen males and uses real life examples to base it on.
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It's a novel. What makes you think it is an accurate portrayal of the issue?
 
Kal'Stang said:
A tragedy is a tragedy. Death occuring or not does not make it less so.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like you're trying to say a mass murder of 20 children is equally tragic as a mass injury stabbing of 20 teens. Is that what you're saying?
 
I keeping seeing that this kid was referred to by other kids and adults at that schoolas being "shy" and "really shy" and he "always kept to himself".

Didn't people say the same thing about Lanza?

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Henrin said:
It's a novel. What makes you think it is an accurate portrayal of the issue?
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It is fiction but it uses previous shootings and sprees and interviews with surviving shooters/attackers and psychological findings in the book and as a catalyst for the main character's actions.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I've heard of those two...never read up or seen them though. :shrug: Guess you were wrong huh?
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Doesn't matter. As long as you're pushing your beliefs when a crisis occurs, you're an Alinsky, Emmanuel follower. :shrug:

CRUE CAB said:
Nope. Cause if it had been a gun, Obama would be on the airwaves by now.
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So you taking the opposite stance and not letting a crisis go to waste to voice your pro-gun stance is different... how?
 
LaMidRighter said:
Yeah. I don't blame someone for sheltering if there is no one in the line of attack or if there is literally nothing they can do, like trying to run down a ranged weapon, but in the case of a knife murder................step back and weaponize something, a person attacking with a knife is committed to violence without a doubt.
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We should be teaching our kids what to do in these kind of situations. Simply picking up every throwable object within reach and burying the guy under chairs, tables, scissors, staplers, three-ring binders, etc,. would have most likely brought this attack to a sudden end. It would also create a demotivation for doing this kind of thing: "What did you do to get thrown in jail?" "I attacked a Jr. High with a bayonet." "Really? How'd they catch you?" "I got pummeled by a girls health class?"
 
faithful_servant said:
We should be teaching our kids what to do in these kind of situations. Simply picking up every throwable object within reach and burying the guy under chairs, tables, scissors, staplers, three-ring binders, etc,. would have most likely brought this attack to a sudden end. It would also create a demotivation for doing this kind of thing: "What did you do to get thrown in jail?" "I attacked a Jr. High with a bayonet." "Really? How'd they catch you?" "I got pummeled by a girls health class?"
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Yep. I haven't had to engage in violence in quite some time for two reasons;
1) I am built like a tank, so that's already a deterrent
2) I make it known that I will defend myself when the SHTF and my body language suggests that it's not just a statement, this defuses the situation and everyone walks away.

However, if things do get nasty, I am prepared to do whatever it takes to end the situation with minimal injuries to myself and innocents and am amazed how many people aren't.
 
faithful_servant said:
We should be teaching our kids what to do in these kind of situations. Simply picking up every throwable object within reach and burying the guy under chairs, tables, scissors, staplers, three-ring binders, etc,. would have most likely brought this attack to a sudden end. It would also create a demotivation for doing this kind of thing: "What did you do to get thrown in jail?" "I attacked a Jr. High with a bayonet." "Really? How'd they catch you?" "I got pummeled by a girls health class?"
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That would be great but we're so busy teaching them that violence only begets more violence that it'll never happen.

I really wish that there was some fairy land where a hug and a kind word solved everything but it doesn't exist, never has existed and never will exist.
 
faithful_servant said:
We should be teaching our kids what to do in these kind of situations. Simply picking up every throwable object within reach and burying the guy under chairs, tables, scissors, staplers, three-ring binders, etc,. would have most likely brought this attack to a sudden end. It would also create a demotivation for doing this kind of thing: "What did you do to get thrown in jail?" "I attacked a Jr. High with a bayonet." "Really? How'd they catch you?" "I got pummeled by a girls health class?"
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or a beaker from the chem lab of stuff my old AP chem teacher generically called "Wicked S%#t -like sulphuric acid
 
Slyfox696 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like you're trying to say a mass murder of 20 children is equally tragic as a mass injury stabbing of 20 teens. Is that what you're saying?
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Yes it is just as tragic. What makes you think that it isn't? Because they lived? Pfft. Try thinking in the long term. What are these kid's lives going to turn out like? Or do you just care that they lived and don't care about the consequences that this act will no doubt impart?
 
Hatuey said:
Doesn't matter. As long as you're pushing your beliefs when a crisis occurs, you're an Alinsky, Emmanuel follower. :shrug:
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If you think that's what a follower is then you don't know the meaning of the word. Or do you seriously think that no one that believes in things that you don't can't think on their own?

As I said earlier, when the left stops using tragedies to advance thier anti-gun agenda's then I will stop doing so also. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
clownboy said:
They've been crying that there would be no mass incidents like these without guns. Sure enough, someone got creative.
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just wait until somebody decides to start chucking pipe bombs into filled classrooms as fast as they can run down the hallway
 
Kal'Stang said:
Yes it is just as tragic. What makes you think that it isn't? Because they lived?
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Umm, yes? I'd much rather be alive than dead. I'd much rather my child be alive than dead. Wouldn't you?

Pfft. Try thinking in the long term. What are these kid's lives going to turn out like?
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Better than if they had been killed?

Or do you just care that they lived and don't care about the consequences that this act will no doubt impart?
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Why is it an either/or? Can't I care about the fact they lived AND care about them getting the help they need to make sure they have healthy lives?
 
Zyphlin said:
And "the left" was just as pathetic when their first instinct was to use the bodies of dead kids as a means to push a political agenda and it was only on their second instinct to express honest concern for those affected.

Kind of like "the right" who did that exact same pathetic action here.
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As I said earlier, when they stop then I will. :shrug: Indeed the ONLY reason that I did this time was due to the left doing it every single time a mass shooting happened.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Yes it is just as tragic. What makes you think that it isn't? Because they lived? Pfft. Try thinking in the long term. What are these kid's lives going to turn out like? Or do you just care that they lived and don't care about the consequences that this act will no doubt impart?
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Doesn't turn anyway if they die. If they live, there is still hope for a better future.

But the important thing here is to help them and the families. I pray they heal well, both physically and mentally.
 
fishinRod said:
just wait until somebody decides to start chucking pipe bombs into filled classrooms as fast as they can run down the hallway
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We had a rash of kids getting caught with those not too long ago. Fortunately they were just bored teens looking to blow up old junk, but they still broke federal law by possessing them.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Yep. I haven't had to engage in violence in quite some time for two reasons;
1) I am built like a tank, so that's already a deterrent
2) I make it known that I will defend myself when the SHTF and my body language suggests that it's not just a statement, this defuses the situation and everyone walks away.

However, if things do get nasty, I am prepared to do whatever it takes to end the situation with minimal injuries to myself and innocents and am amazed how many people aren't.
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I've always been on the smaller side, so I've had to find "creative" ways to defend myself. Funny thing is, I stopped losing fights around age 15 and stopped getting into them shortly thereafter because people figured out that I was a losing proposition to fight. People who would consider attacking others should have the same attitude - that it's a losing proposition. They should know going in that if they attack a school they will end up getting stopped VERY quickly. I'd love to see big posters on the doors of our schools informing would be assailants of the kind of training the kids have been given and the level of preparedness of the staff. Let the idiots know that they will end up getting beaten unconscious, left tied up like a boneless leg of lamb and garnished with fresh rosemary by the Home Ec. class if they decide to do something stupid.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Umm, yes? I'd much rather be alive than dead. I'd much rather my child be alive than dead. Wouldn't you?

Better than if they had been killed?
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You have no clue as to whethery the are better of dead or alive. Being alive can be a horrible experiance. And I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Slyfox696 said:
Why is it an either/or? Can't I care about the fact they lived AND care about them getting the help they need to make sure they have healthy lives?
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Sure you can. But when you think that their lives will most definitely be better off living without once considering the full consequences of living horrible lives due to pyschological and physical trauma then you have no clue as to what you are talking about. Simply being alive can be worse than being dead.

Yeah, might be better for those that the trauma didn't happen to. But for the victims it can be worse. And the thinking absolutely that they are better off alive by those that were not the victim is just selfish.

Don't get me wrong, i'm glad as hell that there are survivors. I hope to god that they can eventually forget what happened and live full and productive lives. But I'm also a realist. I doubt very seriously that these kids will ever get over what happened here. And I'd be surprised as hell if some suicides did not happen due to it.
 
faithful_servant said:
I've always been on the smaller side, so I've had to find "creative" ways to defend myself. Funny thing is, I stopped losing fights around age 15 and stopped getting into them shortly thereafter because people figured out that I was a losing proposition to fight. People who would consider attacking others should have the same attitude - that it's a losing proposition. They should know going in that if they attack a school they will end up getting stopped VERY quickly. I'd love to see big posters on the doors of our schools informing would be assailants of the kind of training the kids have been given and the level of preparedness of the staff. Let the idiots know that they will end up getting beaten unconscious, left tied up like a boneless leg of lamb and garnished with fresh rosemary by the Home Ec. class if they decide to do something stupid.
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Even with my build, I am still looking into a martial art to take because I won't be young and strong forever, and even with the advantages I do have there is no such thing as too prepared. I looked into a Kempo dojo around the area, it has a few other disciplines mixed in and the much smaller instructor gave me a small demonstration of what the discipline is about, he could throw me around like a kid, and I would love for others to have that kind of defensive training, or at least something practical. I'm just waiting to see what my time and finances will allow to join that dojo.
 
LaMidRighter said:
We had a rash of kids getting caught with those not too long ago. Fortunately they were just bored teens looking to blow up old junk, but they still broke federal law by possessing them.
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We've had several pipe bomb threats at the schools in this area this year. Some were even found. I've no doubt that something along the lines of pipe bombs being used will happen with in the next 1-2 years.
 
tres borrachos said:
Geezus H. Christ, those kids were 14-17 years old - the same age range as 2 of my sons.

What in the name of God would prompt a child to do something like this?
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A Child?
 
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