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Mass stabbing at US school.

LaMidRighter said:
They haven't in the past. It was called "musing" and "looking for an answer" which was Kal's point, and I think he landed it quite brilliantly.
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Yup, and I noticed that the people who were most vocal about Kal started their posts on this thread with agendas, as I pointed out in an earlier post by copying their own first posts on this subject.

Hypocrisy runs deep in some of these people.
 
LaMidRighter said:
I actually am not unfortunately. I'm seeing patterns of people being less and less independent and unfortunately if we keep up the mentality that "someone else will deal with it" then bad actors will further be enabled to do stuff like this. A few years back there was a story of fully grown college students freezing in terror while a male student stabbed a co-ed to death in the cafeteria, none of them knew what to do or took the initiative to stop him and said they were "afraid". I just can't fathom that kind of response but apparently it is real.
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Kids are taught to report and wait for the police. They are taught they cannot hit a bully even to defend themselves.
 
LaMidRighter said:
I do think there is a bit of a copycat component to these things, we have over the last century or so become a fame society, and to a person who is sick and suicidal it wouldn't be too far of a stretch to accomplish fame via notoriety as a final act.
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You should read, or see the movie, "We Have to Talk about Kevin." It's a really good examination into the minds of these teen males and uses real life examples to base it on.
 
Something needs to be done about the way we treat people who are mentally ill. Bring back the sanatorium. Humane care in secure facilities. Psychiatric drugs are not working obviously.
 
tres borrachos said:
Yup, and I noticed that the people who were most vocal about Kal started their posts on this thread with agendas, as I pointed out in an earlier post by copying their own first posts on this subject.

Hypocrisy runs deep in some of these people.
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Out of respect for the victims I try to stay true to the issue, that isn't weapons. What the people with agendas do not understand(the ones at the top do, but they are very talented liars) is that when they focus on the symptom(weapons use, violence) they take away valuable time and attention from the roots of the problem and this retards attempts to actually fix it, which is already going to be very difficult. The tactic of going straight to the agenda during an attack like this is something I've named "dancing on the graves", it's a sick and callous opportunistic "shaming". The people who do this I'm convinced don't give a damn about the dead or injured, if they did they would slow down and stop using this suffering as a chance to advance their issue.
 
Lursa said:
You should read, or see the movie, "We Have to Talk about Kevin." It's a really good examination into the minds of these teen males and uses real life examples to base it on.
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I think I've heard of it, will have to check it out.
 
Lursa said:
Kids are taught to report and wait for the police. They are taught they cannot hit a bully even to defend themselves.
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Absolutely ridiculous for that to happen. Violence should always be a last resort, but at the same time we have to teach kids that they have to defend themselves, and others. It's not good for a society to have everybody dependent on a strained resource like the police, and other services, they cannot be everywhere at the same time and emergencies typically are immediate need situations.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Out of respect for the victims I try to stay true to the issue, that isn't weapons. What the people with agendas do not understand(the ones at the top do, but they are very talented liars) is that when they focus on the symptom(weapons use, violence) they take away valuable time and attention from the roots of the problem and this retards attempts to actually fix it, which is already going to be very difficult. The tactic of going straight to the agenda during an attack like this is something I've named "dancing on the graves", it's a sick and callous opportunistic "shaming". The people who do this I'm convinced don't give a damn about the dead or injured, if they did they would slow down and stop using this suffering as a chance to advance their issue.
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Exactly. I said something similar to that in my first post on here. The weapon of choice is irrelevant. Unless the root cause is fixed, the problem doesn't go away.

Take Lanza, for instance. Obviously he had some issues in that brain of his. I guess we'll never know what they were, but you'd have to have your head in the sand to think he was a normal functioning post-adolescent. What he did was horrible, unimaginable. But he could just have easily have stolen his mother's car and driven to the closest parade and driven his car right through a HS marching band, and killed just as many people. Not recognizing that people like Lanza are a danger to society period is what scares me. The NRA didn't make Lanza crazy. He would have been crazy with or without them.
 
tres borrachos said:
Exactly. I said something similar to that in my first post on here. The weapon of choice is irrelevant. Unless the root cause is fixed, the problem doesn't go away.

Take Lanza, for instance. Obviously he had some issues in that brain of his. I guess we'll never know what they were, but you'd have to have your head in the sand to think he was a normal functioning post-adolescent. What he did was horrible, unimaginable. But he could just have easily have stolen his mother's car and driven to the closest parade and driven his car right through a HS marching band, and killed just as many people. Not recognizing that people like Lanza are a danger to society period is what scares me. The NRA didn't make Lanza crazy. He would have been crazy with or without them.
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I've pointed this out before, but three the four worst mass murders in U.S. history involved common items. The worst obviously was 9/11 which involved a quadruple hijacking of commercial airliners, Oklahoma city was a rented truck with fertilizer and diesel, then there was a NYC nightclub attack involving a Cuban immigrant and 1$'s worth of gasoline(heat of passion murder, he saw his GF dancing with another man), and the fourth worst was the Kehoe massacre of the 1920s using TNT(not a "common" item, but typically used for demolition and construction) and that was over an eminent domain issue.
 
LaMidRighter said:
I've pointed this out before, but three the four worst mass murders in U.S. history involved common items. The worst obviously was 9/11 which involved a quadruple hijacking of commercial airliners, Oklahoma city was a rented truck with fertilizer and diesel, then there was a NYC nightclub attack involving a Cuban immigrant and 1$'s worth of gasoline(heat of passion murder, he saw his GF dancing with another man), and the fourth worst was the Kehoe massacre of the 1920s using TNT(not a "common" item, but typically used for demolition and construction) and that was over an eminent domain issue.
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Every time I remind my anti-gun friends who use Newtown as a reason to ban all guns that McVeigh used fertilizer to kill all those people in Oklahoma City, I'm always met with blank stares.
 
DA60 said:
I have zero knowledge of the accused...but these attempted mass killing's seem to be flourishing.

I put it down to crappy parenting as much as anything. Scratch a deeply disturbed criminal and more times then not you will find lousy parents.

Far, FAR too many lousy parents in this world that have no business having children is a gigantic problem that few seem to either be aware of or even care about.

Socially speaking, raising children should be considered a privilege...that few have the skills to properly undertake.

As it is, nobody seems to think twice when obviously troubled people have children. Like having a child will 'settle down' people.
What nonsense.
I truly believe that too many people look at children as diversions/goals/glorified pets instead of sentient human beings.
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Meh, I think parents are just too busy or too self-absorbed or too lazy. It's easier to let TV and video games and the Internet babysit them and then medicate them when they are too much trouble.
 
tecoyah said:
Am I to understand that legal guns, or opposition to illegal ones, and private entities utilizing their rights are to be taken as ANTI-GUN?


This seems a bit extreme.
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I tried really hard but I couldn't find how that was responsive to my post
 
A lot of comments coming from people who prefer their agendas over reality.

Highly doubtful about a "gang related" problem. This school is in an upper middle income area.

There were at least two armed security guards, one a police officer. The other was stabbed in the stomach when he and asst. principal tackled the stabber.

It was a student who saw the initial attacks and pulled the fire alarm, he suffered a minor stab wound in one arm.

Daily Mail link simply because it has more photos - Franklin Regional High School stabbing spree leaves 20 people injured | Mail Online
 
tres borrachos said:
Every time I remind my anti-gun friends who use Newtown as a reason to ban all guns that McVeigh used fertilizer to kill all those people in Oklahoma City, I'm always met with blank stares.
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Those worthless punks that used the pressure cooker to bomb the marathon, I use pressure cookers constantly in recipes that I want to slow cook, it would make me very angry to lose that item because of those two sick freaks. People have to be VERY careful what they want to deprive others of because there is always a pendulum swing back towards them.
 
Somerville said:
A lot of comments coming from people who prefer their agendas over reality.

Highly doubtful about a "gang related" problem. This school is in an upper middle income area.

There were at least two armed security guards, one a police officer. The other was stabbed in the stomach when he and asst. principal tackled the stabber.

It was a student who saw the initial attacks and pulled the fire alarm, he suffered a minor stab wound in one arm.

Daily Mail link simply because it has more photos - Franklin Regional High School stabbing spree leaves 20 people injured | Mail Online
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true mass shootings or I suppose knifings don't happen in tough schools because the shooter or killer would get shanked a dozen times before he could kill more than a couple people
 
joko104 said:
At least there was no armed security at the school. That would be evil and would take money from salary raises for the school administrators.

Children's lives don't mean anything to school administrations. Their lives aren't worth $1 to protect. They are just a bothersome overpopulation herd to most of them.
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Not only is your accusation toward school administrations disgusting, we have also found your statement about security at the school to be untrue.

Care to apologize for being wrong and insulting?
 
Slyfox696 said:
Not only is your accusation toward school administrations disgusting, we have also found your statement about security at the school to be untrue.

Care to apologize for being wrong and insulting?
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who are you speaking for other than yourself. It was a bit over the top for Joko to damn every school administrations I thought. some do care and there is a record of teachers dying in active shooter cases while trying to protect their students.
 
Hatuey said:
These people are Alinsky/Emmanuel followers. Not letting a good crisis go to waste, huh fellas?
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I've heard of those two...never read up or seen them though. :shrug: Guess you were wrong huh?
 
Kal'Stang said:
You mean like the left did when the Newtown shooting happened? What was the immediate response? What did Obama try to get done? Yeah, talking about a Pot meet Kettle comment. :roll:
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And "the left" was just as pathetic when their first instinct was to use the bodies of dead kids as a means to push a political agenda and it was only on their second instinct to express honest concern for those affected.

Kind of like "the right" who did that exact same pathetic action here.

My my heart goes out to the families involved. It's a weird double edged sword with these things. I understand why they get a lot of news coverage, but at the same time I fear how much that plays into these things occurring at times.
 
Zyphlin said:
And "the left" was just as pathetic when their first instinct was to use the bodies of dead kids as a means to push a political agenda and it was only on their second instinct to express honest concern for those affected.

Kind of like "the right" who did that exact same pathetic action here.

My my heart goes out to the families involved. It's a weird double edged sword with these things. I understand why they get a lot of news coverage, but at the same time I fear how much that plays into these things occurring at times.
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In all honesty, these things are horrible but fall more under the local news category, they are elevated to national status because the 24 hour news cycle needs to be filled and also because of the sensational nature of these things, to borrow the old cliché "if it bleeds, it leads".
 
Wiggen said:
How many were killed? That's the difference between a knife and a semi-automatic rifle. Knives are a lot slower and a lot less deadly in every respect.
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Ummm, factually incorrect.

Talk to people in the self defense industry, police officers, etc. When dealing with close up, small space situations, a knife can be as fast and deadly....if not more so....than a firearm.
 
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Wiggen said:
Again, how many died? Some may wind up dying, and that's a tragedy. But compared to Sandy Hook, it isn't nearly as awful. The kids there were shot so many times many of the bodies were dismembered.
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A tragedy is a tragedy. Death occuring or not does not make it less so. The object used does not make it less so.

Wiggen said:
I find it interesting that people seize on this incident as a justification for their criticism of anybody who thinks automatic weapons shouldn't be available in elementary schools.
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Strawman. No one here has stated that they want automatic weapons available in schools.
 
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