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Mass stabbing at US school.

tres borrachos said:
So a tragedy is is judged by the number of people die who via gunshots?
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No, we generally measure tragedies by the number of lives lost. A single person plane crash is very sad. A 747 plane crash is a tragedy.
 
Someone around page 4 brought up the "mental illness" meme when discussing mass attacks like this. There is an urge felt by many to label aberrant behavior like this as "other". To suggest that there is some kind of tell that a person is different from everyone else and will do this sort of thing. That's really not the case. Regular people do terrible things when they hit a breaking point. There is no gene to test for, there is no nervous habit to diagnose, there is no demographic to segregate away from "normal" people. It is there in all of us, even if we'd like to deny that, and we'll never be able to help people cope with the problems that lead them to these kinds of acts if we start with the position that there is something wrong with them.
 
tres borrachos said:
All but the 20 who didn't.

Were the kids in PA able to run from the knife?
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NO, he actually killed everybody he was able to get to. It was in all the newspapers. Try reading them.
 
Wiggen said:
Again, how many escaped the Bushmaster at Sandy Hook?
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A whole lot 300 -400 I don't know how big the school is. So those poor soles don't count?
 
MACS-24 said:
Sick! But they will never be the same which for some could possibly be worse.
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Nonsense. Being alive as a child is always better than being dead.
 
Wiggen said:
NO, he actually killed everybody he was able to get to. It was in all the newspapers. Try reading them.
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Except for the one child who was in the classroom who pretended to be dead, and the half a dozen or so who escaped from the other classroom by running out of it.
 
tres borrachos said:
No, it's a tragedy regardless of how many people die.
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So, in your world, having kids stabbed but not killed is just as big a tragedy as having kids cut to pieces by a semi automatic rifle? Interesting.
 
Wiggen said:
Nonsense. Being alive as a child is always better than being dead.
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I was hoping that you thought so. Your posts suggested otherwise.

Not all young children cope the same with trauma. Some will have severe issues after this that can lead to depression and thoughts of suicide. HAve you ever heard about the survivor syndrome?
 
MACS-24 said:
A whole lot 300 -400 I don't know how big the school is. So those poor soles don't count?
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Don't be silly. You know what I mean, but in your zeal to make knives just as dangerous in the hands of a lunatic than a semi-automatic rifle, you're simply playing dumb. I should no better than to get into discussions with gun worshippers. I violated my own rule. I won't do it again, because logic and common sense are qualities those who worship guns don't possess. Goodbye.
 
Wiggen said:
So, in your world, having kids stabbed but not killed is just as big a tragedy as having kids cut to pieces by a semi automatic rifle? Interesting.
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What is this - "Which Tragedy Is Bigger?" I didn't know this was a one-upmanship game.

This just happened. You don't know how many if any will die.

Careful...you're making this thread about Newtown and how bad guns are. Some others were ranting earlier at someone for bringing up an agenda in this thread - even though like you, they were also turning this thread into a platform for gun control. I'm sure they will take you to task as they did that poster.:roll:
 
Grand Mal said:
There's nothing so tragic that certain cretins can't make a partisan point out of it, is there.
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You mean there is nothing TO tragic that certain cretins can make a partisan point out of it. NO.
 
Wiggen said:
Don't be silly. You know what I mean, but in your zeal to make knives just as dangerous in the hands of a lunatic than a semi-automatic rifle, you're simply playing dumb. I should no better than to get into discussions with gun worshippers. I violated my own rule. I won't do it again, because logic and common sense are qualities those who worship guns don't possess. Goodbye.
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Most interesting thing I've ever seen posted. Thanks for lightening up the mood for such a tragic day.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Uh oh! Mass Stabbings! Better make reasonable laws on restricting kid's access to knives! I'd suggest requiring safes with biometric locks for all knives larger than 2 inches. Also they should ban all felons (violent or not) from owning any knives.
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The scary thing is, this might start a trend with these losers....drama, recognition, a weapon found in the kitchen, more 'hands on,' they focus on the drama of that notoriety and one-upsmanship. :(
 
Ockham said:
it's inevitable, might as well get it started from the git go.
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Well we do like the obvious example that these incidents are not about guns but about losers and the mentally ill.

And how it points out that more restrictions on guns wont prevent these incidents.
 
Higgins86 said:
What about the media? I was half joking in my OP about the TV Show the Following but in reality its a very violent show in which there are lots of mass stabbings. Do you think Western governments should regulate media more or is it the responsibility of the parents to make sure their kids are not watching these type of shows.
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It's all on the parents.

And many of them are a big fail IMO. Loads of excuses why they cant be aware of their children's activities at home...or wont monitor or control those.
 
Deuce said:
Predictably, the paranoid right jumps in immediately with cracks about knife control when a bunch of kids are badly injured. Stay classy, gun nuts.
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I am not remotely 'paranoid right.'

Just conscientious about preserving my gun rights.
 
Jango said:
While there exists a large gap with mental healthcare in the U.S., it is preliminary to label the young man as mentally ill IMO. People of all ages do horrendously violent acts without all of them being mentally ill by medical standards. Like, for example, the intensity of gun violence in Chicago. There are probably several serial killers on the loose that keep shooting other people to death for probably nothing more than territorial gain or it is gang related. Drug dealers and gang bangers aren't considered mentally ill for the heinous acts they commit. They're considered criminals unless they demonstrate that wires are loose in their brain housing group. Murder or wide-spread assault is not sufficient enough on its own for a mental illness diagnosis. As there have been several mass stabbings in China recently, I haven't read or heard anything that gives way to mental illness being a pivotal factor. Terrorists is the diagnosis with those cases.
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Yup, lots of 'losers.' Doesnt mean they are mentally ill...they are often those bullied or rejected or tormented by other kids and are looking for revenge and notoriety.

And alot of them are on medications...not because they are mentally ill...but to make them easier to control, supposedly easier for them to 'focus,' and some teens react very badly to these meds. I think more just commit suicide than act out against others but both are true.
 
tres borrachos said:
What is this - "Which Tragedy Is Bigger?" I didn't know this was a one-upmanship game.

This just happened. You don't know how many if any will die.

Careful...you're making this thread about Newtown and how bad guns are. Some others were ranting earlier at someone for bringing up an agenda in this thread - even though like you, they were also turning this thread into a platform for gun control. I'm sure they will take you to task as they did that poster.:roll:
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They haven't in the past. It was called "musing" and "looking for an answer" which was Kal's point, and I think he landed it quite brilliantly.
 
Higgins86 said:
What about the media? I was half joking in my OP about the TV Show the Following but in reality its a very violent show in which there are lots of mass stabbings. Do you think Western governments should regulate media more or is it the responsibility of the parents to make sure their kids are not watching these type of shows.
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It's the parents responsibility ultimately. I would be interested in more accountability be placed on the parents in certain cases. We shall see if this is one of those cases.
 
Lursa said:
The scary thing is, this might start a trend with these losers....drama, recognition, a weapon found in the kitchen, more 'hands on,' they focus on the drama of that notoriety and one-upsmanship. :(
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I do think there is a bit of a copycat component to these things, we have over the last century or so become a fame society, and to a person who is sick and suicidal it wouldn't be too far of a stretch to accomplish fame via notoriety as a final act.
 
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