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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post

    And I've been around guns enough to know that 'concealed' isn't really concealed if you're spending hours with an individual. Kids will know week 1, if not first period day 1, they have an armed teacher.

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    Also very likely a poor assumption. Very poor. I"m pretty sure you dont know the people around you, in public, that are cc'ing. Just because you see a few clumsy ones doesnt mean there arent many more doing so well. You would NEVER know I cc.
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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    "it IS used intelligently..."?

    And how do you conclude that, that it IS? It might be/could theoretically be, in the right circumstances, in the right hands, with the right training. And the armed the teacher could put more people at risk, in the 99.999% of the time that there isn't a crazed shooter taking out children
    It's a 2nd Amendment Right...you dont get to decide who's intelligent enough, just like you dont get to decide who's intelligent enough to vote, for example.

    Millions of Americans are carrying firearms everyday and it's not 'blood in the streets.'
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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I didn't say that. But the skills needed for a gun toting teacher to ward off an attack, or take down the attacker, in a crowded space full of innocent, panicked bystanders are advanced skills even for a police officer, that require significant training to learn and continuous training to maintain. Or do you think we should just hand a Glock and a shoulder strap to the Geometry teacher, and wish him or her luck? It's also my opinion that doing so safely and effectively requires a unique personality (calm under fire, willing to move toward danger, and kill a child when necessary), more suited to those who choose to be cops than those who choose to work around and educate children.

    And I've been around guns enough to know that 'concealed' isn't really concealed if you're spending hours with an individual. Kids will know week 1, if not first period day 1, they have an armed teacher.

    Just seems simplistic to me - "Gun violence a problem? MORE GUNS is the answer!" - and the suggestions nearly always fail to even acknowledge the obvious and substantial downsides, much less weigh them against the expected benefits.
    Obviously you are clueless regarding concealed carry and common sense.
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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Who says? Do you have sources to back that up? How do you know what level of training is needed?

    When a bunch of kids are hiding behind their desks and a nutcase is going room to room...you think a trained teacher couldnt stop them as they came thru the door?
    If we had real school choice, there could be schools in which teachers are armed, and some in which the teachers are not armed. Unfortunately, we have a one size fits all, and so some will not be happy.
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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If we had real school choice, there could be schools in which teachers are armed, and some in which the teachers are not armed. Unfortunately, we have a one size fits all, and so some will not be happy.
    Well, should they be? Happy that is....
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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, should they be? Happy that is....
    We have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, so I suppose so.
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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Also very likely a poor assumption. Very poor. I"m pretty sure you dont know the people around you, in public, that are cc'ing. Just because you see a few clumsy ones doesnt mean there arent many more doing so well. You would NEVER know I cc.
    I see the people in public around me in passing, so I'm positive I miss 99% of those who are making ANY half-arsed attempt to conceal their handguns.

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't imagine working with someone daily, in the same office, wearing normal office attire, for weeks, without noticing that he's carrying a handgun.

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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    If I had a choice (and kids), I'd rather them be taught by an armed, trained, and capable teacher.

    I'm much more likely to believe a teacher to be a defender as opposed to an offender.

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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It's a 2nd Amendment Right...you dont get to decide who's intelligent enough, just like you dont get to decide who's intelligent enough to vote, for example.

    Millions of Americans are carrying firearms everyday and it's not 'blood in the streets.'
    You said a gun IS used intelligently, and I asked for some basis for that. You responded with a non sequitur regarding who has the right to CARRY a weapon or to vote.

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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Obviously you are clueless regarding concealed carry and common sense.
    So, it's common sense that any yahoo, who might have never before picked up a gun, can get 8 hours of training that's required in my state and be competent to take out a shooter in a crowded space, without putting the panicked innocent bystanders at risk? And it's also common sense that introducing 10 handguns in a school during the 99.999999% of the time that there is not a crazed shooter killing children introduces NO extra risk, either of an accident, a child getting access to that weapon, or the teacher themselves using it in inappropriate circumstances.

    You should alert the local police agencies and let them all know the initial and ongoing training we put our law enforcement officers through is a waste of time and money! Cops should do fine with a bit of common sense.

    And you should also probably alert the insurance carriers for the schools. They're too stupid to know that untrained teachers carrying guns does NOT add to the risk of loss, but instead often decline to even cover schools that plan to put handguns in the hands of untrained teachers.

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