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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

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    Mocking liberals who want to stop children from getting shot.

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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    None of the "We Need Guns in Schools!!11!!" advocates seem to have answered to the fact that there were armed guards in this school - and we still had people stabbed. So, did armed guards make a difference or didn't they?
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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

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    I believe that only 1 of give 3 were armed, from what I have heard.

    The key is the size of the school/campus - cops can't be everywhere at the same time.

    It does suggest that having multiple administrators/teachers/employees armed makes a lot of sense.
    Schools don't need more guns in them. They need less violence. I am not anti gun, I own guns, I think most households should have guns. But a school is no place for them. Guns have been around for a long time. These school shootings/attacks are becoming more and more common. As a society we should be working toward why these things are happening not how can we get more guns in more places. An armed guard may stop a shooter, it may hit other kids in a crossfire. But it won't change that gunfire happened at that school.
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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Because this is my first post in this thread, I want to first say that I feel absolutely horrible for anybody involved in or who feels the effects of this tragedy in any way. I can't imagine what it would have been like to be there, although any time I read stories about these tragedies, I feel like I'm right there with the victims and it's pretty horrific just imagining what they saw and felt. Ultimately, it is impossible to stop school shootings/stabbings/violence from occurring, and the key to reducing these kinds of incidents is changing the way our society treats other people. And changing the way we deal with people (including children and teenagers) who are potentially dangerous.

    All that said, it's a bit confusing to me why 2nd amendment proponents are jumping on this story as evidence that guns aren't the only weapon that can be used to hurt others. First of all, everybody knows that to be true. But more importantly, look at the numbers: Columbine - 13 killed and a large number more could have been killed had the shooters not gotten bored of killing. Seriously, they literally got bored of killing people. Virginia Tech - 32 killed.

    This incident - possibly 0, no more than 4. What does this prove? Nothing, but it indicates something everybody knows to be true. If you want to kill a lot of people, you use a gun. You can kill somebody with a toe nail but that doesn't mean it's the most deadly weapon you could legally get your hands on. You don't have a brain if you think this country doesn't have a problem with gun violence. And this story, if anything, further proves that we don't want guns in the hands of dangerous people. I'm not saying we need new gun control laws, I'm just saying to those of you who were so, so excited that a teenager tried to murder dozens of his peers with a knife: this incident doesn't bolster your argument.
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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Schools don't need more guns in them. They need less violence. I am not anti gun, I own guns, I think most households should have guns. But a school is no place for them. Guns have been around for a long time. These school shootings/attacks are becoming more and more common. As a society we should be working toward why these things are happening not how can we get more guns in more places. An armed guard may stop a shooter, it may hit other kids in a crossfire. But it won't change that gunfire happened at that school.
    While you are working out 'what happens', more children will die.

    Benign neglect benefits nobody except these killers, period.

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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    We do have weapon bans in schools. No one said it stops violence or that a kid may still sneak a weapon in school. Depending on the area or the school population, some schools have more restrictions (not less gun advocates) like metal detectors. Sure, restrictions won't solve how to make us less of a violent nation, but restrictions help limit potential deadlier attacks and frequency.

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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    I believe that only 1 of give 3 were armed, from what I have heard.

    The key is the size of the school/campus - cops can't be everywhere at the same time.

    It does suggest that having multiple administrators/teachers/employees armed makes a lot of sense.
    I don't really understand this sentiment. They're not cops, and what makes a person a good police officer are not (generally) going to be what makes a fine teacher. Screening reliable teachers able to safely use a firearm in a panic situation difficult. Training them properly would be expensive and ongoing. They'd have to carry their weapons at all times in order to predictably affect an event like this, which means teachers in a classroom, of kids from 6 to 17 or 18, looking over homework, packing a Glock on their hip. Like guns or not, the presence of an unconcealed weapon in a room changes the dynamic entirely. There is the problem of 500,000 or a million teachers in the 130,000 schools securing the weapons and making sure that students cannot get access to them.

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    Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I don't really understand this sentiment. They're not cops, and what makes a person a good police officer are not (generally) going to be what makes a fine teacher. Screening reliable teachers able to safely use a firearm in a panic situation difficult. Training them properly would be expensive and ongoing. They'd have to carry their weapons at all times in order to predictably affect an event like this, which means teachers in a classroom, of kids from 6 to 17 or 18, looking over homework, packing a Glock on their hip. Like guns or not, the presence of an unconcealed weapon in a room changes the dynamic entirely. There is the problem of 500,000 or a million teachers in the 130,000 schools securing the weapons and making sure that students cannot get access to them.
    One does not need to be a cop to carry a gun and use it correctly.

    Weapons in schools should be carried concealed - out of sight, out of mind.
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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Clearly we are going to have to ban all knives....They are just dangerous....I decree war on knives, and further decree that from now on all food will be eaten using this:

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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    One does not need to be a cop to carry a gun and use it correctly.

    Weapons in schools should be carried concealed - out of sight, out of mind.
    I didn't say that. But the skills needed for a gun toting teacher to ward off an attack, or take down the attacker, in a crowded space full of innocent, panicked bystanders are advanced skills even for a police officer, that require significant training to learn and continuous training to maintain. Or do you think we should just hand a Glock and a shoulder strap to the Geometry teacher, and wish him or her luck? It's also my opinion that doing so safely and effectively requires a unique personality (calm under fire, willing to move toward danger, and kill a child when necessary), more suited to those who choose to be cops than those who choose to work around and educate children.

    And I've been around guns enough to know that 'concealed' isn't really concealed if you're spending hours with an individual. Kids will know week 1, if not first period day 1, they have an armed teacher.

    Just seems simplistic to me - "Gun violence a problem? MORE GUNS is the answer!" - and the suggestions nearly always fail to even acknowledge the obvious and substantial downsides, much less weigh them against the expected benefits.

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