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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    and all the while,what we SHOULD be talking about is the state of mental health in this country, and what steps we should be taking to addresses it.
    I think there's a LOT of things that are worthy of discussion after a lot of these things....

    Mental Health is absolutely one of them. General parenting is another. The sensationalism and "villian" worship of sorts that occurs with these things is another. Yes, gun / weapon regulations are part of that as well. So is discussions regarding our culture. I have the whole "video games help cause this" type of arguments, but I still see and understand merit in the notion of discussions regarding violence in our culture even if I don't agree with those necessarily saying it's definitely a problem or needs to change.

    There are a whole hosts of legitimate avenues to discuss.

    But NONE of them are ever going to get worked out in the first hour after something like this happens, and none of them are going to actually cause any realistic, useful, honest, worth while debate or discussion to happen in that first hour either. If anything, the constant need to push a political agenda (and spare me LMR if you somehow are deluding yourself into thinking that part of his "mimicry" wasn't pushing a political agenda that weapon regulation doesn't work) IMMEDIETELY in the wake of these things just harms the chance for anything meaningful to ever be discussed or come out of them.

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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I think there's a LOT of things that are worthy of discussion after a lot of these things....

    Mental Health is absolutely one of them. General parenting is another. The sensationalism and "villian" worship of sorts that occurs with these things is another. Yes, gun / weapon regulations are part of that as well. So is discussions regarding our culture. I have the whole "video games help cause this" type of arguments, but I still see and understand merit in the notion of discussions regarding violence in our culture even if I don't agree with those necessarily saying it's definitely a problem or needs to change.

    There are a whole hosts of legitimate avenues to discuss.

    But NONE of them are ever going to get worked out in the first hour after something like this happens, and none of them are going to actually cause any realistic, useful, honest, worth while debate or discussion to happen in that first hour either. If anything, the constant need to push a political agenda (and spare me LMR if you somehow are deluding yourself into thinking that part of his "mimicry" wasn't pushing a political agenda that weapon regulation doesn't work) IMMEDIETELY in the wake of these things just harms the chance for anything meaningful to ever be discussed or come out of them.
    I'm often reminded of the arguments regarding, say,terrorism in that whenever people look for a cause, far too many wish to boil it down to a single variable. I find that oversimplification and zealotry tend to go hand in hand, and so these discussionsn become dominated by those with an ax to grind about their pet issue.

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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I do,too.

    He acted like the immature 12 year old has been caught with the spray paint in his hand whining like a baby trying to justify his graffiti vandalism by claiming others do it,too.
    Okay, so heaven forbid there is another school shooting and someone does that in a serious manner I expect to see you and everyone else criticizing Kal to condemn them.
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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post


    The first thing you thought when you saw this thread, 5 minutes after it was posted, was not to express concern for those involved, but rather to mock those of a different political viewpoint. Your priorities were gun first, people second. And then, almost without fail, every post after has been about guns.

    Good Lord Judgy McJudgement...get over it. My priorities are about ME. And since my kids werent in my school, I said a quick prayer and then examined it immediately in the context of previous events and previous assaults on my gun rights. I didnt feel the need to post my concern on a DISCUSSION forum....I posted something to DISCUSS.

    If you have a different style of posting, or dont like someone else's style...maybe you should start your own forum where you can judge all those.

    But, for the LOVE OF GOD, let it go.

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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You missed the "gun nuts" and "zealots" identifications, but otherwise you did a good job.
    well it would need to be changed to "knife nuts"

    so would it be OK of I said - those extremists people who cling to their bibles and knives?

    If you are against knife control you are in the pockets of the NKA (National Knife Association)?
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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    We need to get all these knives off the streets. Knife control now!!

    Come to think of it, it wouldn't hurt getting the spoons and forks off the streets too.
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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Good Lord Judgy McJudgement...get over it. My priorities are about ME. And since my kids werent in my school, I said a quick prayer and then examined it immediately in the context of previous events and previous assaults on my gun rights. I didnt feel the need to post my concern on a DISCUSSION forum....I posted something to DISCUSS.

    If you have a different style of posting, or dont like someone else's style...maybe you should start your own forum where you can judge all those.

    But, for the LOVE OF GOD, let it go.

    *takes off Drama Queen hat*
    Good lord judgy mcjudgement Jr you are now doing the same thing.
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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    None of the "We Need Guns in Schools!!11!!" advocates seem to have answered to the fact that there were armed guards in this school - and we still had people stabbed. So, did armed guards make a difference or didn't they?
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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    None of the "We Need Guns in Schools!!11!!" advocates seem to have answered to the fact that there were armed guards in this school - and we still had people stabbed. So, did armed guards make a difference or didn't they?
    I believe that only 1 of give 3 were armed, from what I have heard.

    The key is the size of the school/campus - cops can't be everywhere at the same time.

    It does suggest that having multiple administrators/teachers/employees armed makes a lot of sense.
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    Re: Mass stabbing at US school.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Good lord judgy mcjudgement Jr you are now doing the same thing.
    I judged no one, I commented on grousing ad infinitum and I asked him to 'get over it.'
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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