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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    You don't have to accept it but outside the bubble of Debate Politics it's the reality.
    Since you know so well, why not take us out of the bubble of Debate Politics and demonstrate your claim. If you can't, just say so.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    This is a very disturbing development. I hope the US is not paying people like Blackwater to assist in eastern Ukraine. It is known that the very radical ultra right wing group Right Sector is influential very influential in Ukraine right now. If they start staging attacks inside Russia aimed at destabilizing the Russian government, this situation could get very ugly, very fast. I hope this is not true.

    Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine - NBC News
    Why is it disturbing?
    Doesn't surprise me at all.

    American mercenaries have been running around making what money they can fighting other peoples wars for centuries.

    Just good capitalism.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Why is it disturbing?
    Doesn't surprise me at all.

    American mercenaries have been running around making what money they can fighting other peoples wars for centuries.

    Just good capitalism.
    It's disturbing because it increases the risk of a military confrontation between Russia and the US over something that's only of marginal US interest.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    It's disturbing because it increases the risk of a military confrontation between Russia and the US over something that's only of marginal US interest.
    Like I said mercenaries have been doing this for hundreds of years and it never led to such a confrontation.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    I believe the UN may be able to offset some costs by offering security agreements in regions where there may be instability.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    Like I said mercenaries have been doing this for hundreds of years and it never led to such a confrontation.
    IF American military contractors are helping to support the activities of ultra nationalist right wing extremist in Ukraine that actually leads to the fomentation of unrest or a terrorist attack inside of Russia, that is sure to provoke a military incursion by Russia into Ukraine. Things could then spiral quickly out of control. That's the problem with such things. There is no telling where they might lead.

    That said, I don't think we are that stupid, contrary to some of the assertions here by some that we should provide Ukraine with a security guarantee.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    So which countries are going to offer troops to the UN to enforce a security guarantee with Ukraine against Russia?

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    So which countries are going to offer troops to the UN to enforce a security guarantee with Ukraine against Russia?
    Hypothetically and in that alternative, would be it "wrong" for the UN to write letters of marque and reprisal, and hire a regiment of Hammer's Slammers?

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Since you know so well, why not take us out of the bubble of Debate Politics and demonstrate your claim. If you can't, just say so.
    It's ludicrous on its face. This doesn't happen. Countries do not acquire contracts with security companies when they are in the midst of inter-state war, nor do companies dish them out. We wont send weapons, share intelligence, or dispatch spare parts to Ukraine but we're willing to allow an American company accept a (shockingly illegal) contract to organize a foreign legion of '150 mercenaries' in the face of a potential Russian invasion? Especially when they don't even provide those services! Which Russia should know because they've contracted with Greystone numerous times for police training and executive private security details. Why would a cash strapped Ukraine even bother to pay what would be an exorbitant fee to dispatch a few score hired foreign guns to eastern Ukraine when they are in the process of mobilizing corps sized formations? It's nonsense.

    Everyone from Washington to Brussels, from Greystone to Xe has flatly denied this claim. The only evidence is an errant Russian assertion that there are bands of 'American mercenaries' operating in Ukraine. They have a storied history of lying about this from their claims just a few weeks ago about mercenaries being disgorged by the hundreds into Kiev to their sensationalist claims about fighting American mercenaries in Georgia. They inevitably drop the claim because it's always nonsense conjured up for the purposes of the moment.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Of course it's very difficult to try to piece together what is actually happening, but this is of interest

    Contractors from private security companies are supposed to do what NATO cannot do openly, they train terrorists who destabilize situation in Ukraine, Michel Chossudovsky, Director of the Centre for Research on Globalization told RIA Novosti Tuesday.

    "Those organizations (private security companies) will do what NATO cannot do openly. They can train people to be terrorists," Chossudovsky said, adding that in Syria private contractors were training al-Qaeda.
    "We are talking about the continuation of US policy of military intervention in Ukraine and a preparatory stage for a massacre in southeastern Ukraine," Igor Korotchenko, editor-in-chief of the National Defense monthly Russian-language magazine said, adding that the deployment of mercenaries from a private company Greystone Ltd. may be financed by Ukrainian oligarchs and organized in coordination with the US State Department.
    Michel Chossudovsky told RIA Novosti that mercenaries are normally hired by governments, but options are numerous as they operate covertly and do not identify themselves.
    "Private contractors could be hired by NATO, or by Ukrainian government or by an intermediary. Anyone can hire Greystone, they operate covertly, they don't identify themselves, and make money," Chossudovsky said.
    "Considering that Ukraine's security services show their obvious incompetence, foreign mercenaries are supposed to suppress the protests in the southeastern part of the country," Korotchenko said.
    Michel Chossudovsky expects Graystone to recruit Ukrainians for the operation and reminded that the company recruits different nationalities, who are trained by professional military personnel.
    "Within the Ukrainian National Guard there are western military advisors, they have senior military people. They are supposed to train protective services, but in fact they train terrorists," Chossudovsky said.
    "NATO and the US won't acknowledge the presence of these special forces. What is happening is an influx of special forces in Ukraine which are there with the purpose to sustain the current government, but also to sustain the state of destabilization," Chossudovsky said stressing that mercenaries would infiltrate with grassroots movements to trigger violence across Ukraine.
    Canadian expert also said that NATO advisors are already present in Ukraine and have been brought by Kiev authorities.
    "We have reports that there were mercenaries in Eastern Ukraine in early March. Some of these mercenaries are used for sophisticated sniper operations which characterize Euro Maidan," Chossudovsky said, adding that the similar operations have been seen in other countries.
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