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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Yawn. Contrary to the narrative that some have spun the world of real mercenaries mostly died in the 1990's with Sandline. The vast, vast, vast majority of security contractors are exactly what they sound like---contractors. They are technical experts, security guards, instructors, etc.
    Contractors that carry weapons and kill people. Ranks are filled with ex-military including special forces. Carrying weapons, killing people, not representing a country and getting paid for their efforts is the definition of 'mercenary'. Private Contractor is just a euphemism.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Contractors that carry weapons and kill people. Ranks are filled with ex-military including special forces. Carrying weapons, killing people, not representing a country and getting paid for their efforts is the definition of 'mercenary'. Private Contractor is just a euphemism.
    According to Foreign Policy magazine a few years ago, modern private military contractors are not in fact mercenaries.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    According to Foreign Policy magazine a few years ago, modern private military contractors are not in fact mercenaries.
    If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, get a magazine to say it isn't a duck.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Ironic. Russia practicing Alinsky tactics against our Alinksy-worshipping administration.
    Alinsky! Everybody drink!

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    Accuse your opponent of doing exactly what you're doing[/B] so they have to defend themselves while you skirt by unblemished.
    You mean how conservatives endlessly bitch about "Alinsky tactics" while constantly using them themselves?
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    According to Foreign Policy magazine a few years ago, modern private military contractors are not in fact mercenaries.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    IIRC, to be considered a "mercenary" a group must be given independent command with clearly defined military objectives.

    In other words, it has to be along the lines of "go take Hill 309 " not "go take those latrines to Hill 309"

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Dayton3 View Post
    According to Foreign Policy magazine a few years ago, modern private military contractors are not in fact mercenaries.
    I like Foreign Policy. I read their articles as often as I can (near daily consumption). And having been an avid reader of FP for over two years I've come to the inescapable conclusion that they're not infallible. They get it wrong sometimes, which would be evident in this case.

    Ever heard this before?: "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

    Private contractors have a much more pleasant rhetorical ring to it than mercenary. Besides, mercenary has distinct negative connotations whereas private contractor is relatively new terminology and possesses far less negativity in connotation.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    They aren't and this isn't true. It doesn't even make sense. What is possible is that the Ukrainian government has paid for contractors to help with training and infrastructure security. Scores of countries do it. It's the same thing that happened in Georgia where the Russians tried to say that security contractors were evidence of an insidious American mercenary advance guard. They even made similar claims a few weeks ago. It's nonsense.
    If you don't have a source to support your claim, I'm not going to accept on face value your claim that this nonsense.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    While PNCs can act as mercenaries such as Executive Outcomes actions in Angola and other African nations in the 1990s, I'm very reluctant to characterize their roles in Iraq and elsewhere under western nations directions as being in line with being mercenary.

    Besides, people have this image of PNCs as being a bunch of lawless murderous thugs who hired on because they want to kill and terrorize without the oversight of a regular military. When in fact in areas like Africa where the aforementioned EO fought in the 1990s they fought very professionally and did a whole lot of good for the regions they were in.

    Remember, during the horrific 1994 Rwandan genocide, Executive Outcomes offered to send their troops in (without prior payment) to help end the killing but they were turned down. It has been estimated they could've saved 200,000 lives.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    If you don't have a source to support your claim, I'm not going to accept on face value your claim that this nonsense.
    You don't have to accept it but outside the bubble of Debate Politics it's the reality.

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