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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    You need as much classified information to debunk this as the claim that Portuguese Marines are in Donetsk.
    Mercenaries are loyal to whomever's check does not bounce and instantly available for service.. Oligarchs are in charge in Ukraine and it goes without saying that they could afford their own Army of mercs. Mercs are for hire.. Job opportunity. Loyalty for sale. Two weeks ago 350 mercs were alleged to be flown into Ukraine. Oh, no ,no ,no, much too complicated. I mean you'd have to hire them by phone and pay them by cash. Boy , now that'd be difficult. Not.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Ironic. Russia practicing Alinsky tactics against our Alinksy-worshipping administration.

    Accuse your opponent of doing exactly what you're doing so they have to defend themselves while you skirt by unblemished.
    Just had to get your daily dose of shouting "Alinsky" in?

    I'm not sure if you'd be in favor of American agents or not...or only if a Republican sent them?


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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    How do you know it's not true though? Just because you don't think it is?
    Yes. It's audibly ludicrous.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Mercenaries are loyal to whomever's check does not bounce and instantly available for service.. Oligarchs are in charge in Ukraine and it goes without saying that they could afford their own Army of mercs. Mercs are for hire.. Job opportunity. Loyalty for sale. Two weeks ago 350 mercs were alleged to be flown into Ukraine. Oh, no ,no ,no, much too complicated. I mean you'd have to hire them by phone and pay them by cash. Boy , now that'd be difficult. Not.
    Yawn. Contrary to the narrative that some have spun the world of real mercenaries mostly died in the 1990's with Sandline. The vast, vast, vast majority of security contractors are exactly what they sound like---contractors. They are technical experts, security guards, instructors, etc.

    Are there Greystone contractors in Ukraine? I'm not sure, quite possibly there are. Are there mercenaries ready to fight at the behest of the Ukrainian government? No. If you believe that there are I have a Congolese Airborne Regiment that I'm alleging is gearing up to fight the Russians outside Kharkov.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    So, how many Rambo's does it take to liberate that region?

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    This doesn't surprise me. Russia also reported that the American Paratroopers were in Crimea before the election.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Yawn. Contrary to the narrative that some have spun the world of real mercenaries mostly died in the 1990's with Sandline. The vast, vast, vast majority of security contractors are exactly what they sound like---contractors. They are technical experts, security guards, instructors, etc.

    Are there Greystone contractors in Ukraine? I'm not sure, quite possibly there are. Are there mercenaries ready to fight at the behest of the Ukrainian government? No. If you believe that there are I have a Congolese Airborne Regiment that I'm alleging is gearing up to fight the Russians outside Kharkov.
    I got it. It is just your own, unqualified opinion that there are no mercs in Ukraine. I'll flush that.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I got it. It is just your own, unqualified opinion that there are no mercs in Ukraine. I'll flush that.
    You misunderstood.

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You misunderstood.
    Somebody did.
    It's Not Russia That Is Destabilising Ukraine
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    It's Not Russia That Is Destabilising Ukraine

    The west has been needlessly whipping up tension – if we don't co-operate soon, chaos may take hold

    By Sergei Lavrov

    April 08, 2014 "ICH" - "The Guardian" - The profound and pervasive crisis in Ukraine is a matter of grave concern for Russia. We understand perfectly well the position of a country which became independent just over 20 years ago and still faces complex tasks in constructing a sovereign state. Among them is the search for a balance of interests among its various regions, the peoples of which have different historical and cultural roots, speak different languages and have different perspectives on their past and present, and their country's future place in the world.
    Given these circumstances, the role of external forces should have been to help Ukrainians protect the foundations of civil peace and sustainable development, which are still fragile. Russia has done more than any other country to support the independent Ukrainian state, including for many years subsidising its economy through low energy prices. Last November, at the outset of the current crisis, we supported Kiev's wish for urgent consultations between Ukraine, Russia and the EU to discuss harmonising the integration process. Brussels flatly rejected it. This stand reflected the unproductive and dangerous line the EU and US have been taking for a long time. They have been trying to compel Ukraine to make a painful choice between east and west, further aggravating internal differences.

    Ukraine's realities notwithstanding, massive support was provided to political movements promoting western influence, and it was done in direct breach of the Ukrainian constitution. This is what happened in 2004, when President Viktor Yushchenko won an unconstitutional third round of elections introduced under EU pressure. This time round, power in Kiev was seized undemocratically, through violent street protests conducted with the direct participation of ministers and other officials from the US and EU countries.

    Assertions that Russia has undermined efforts to strengthen partnerships on the European continent do not correspond to the facts. On the contrary, our country has steadily promoted a system of equal and indivisible security in the Euro-Atlantic area. We proposed signing a treaty to that effect, and advocated the creation of a common economic and human space from the Atlantic to the Pacific which would also be open to post-Soviet countries.

    In the meantime, western states, despite their repeated assurances to the contrary, have carried out successive waves of Nato enlargement, moved the alliance's military infrastructure eastward and begun to implement antimissile defence plans. The EU's Eastern Partnership programme is designed to bind the so-called focus states tightly to itself, shutting down the possibility of co-operation with Russia. Attempts by those who staged the secession of Kosovo from Serbia and of Mayotte from the Comoros to question the free will of Crimeans cannot be viewed as anything but a flagrant display of double standards. No less troubling is the pretence of not noticing that the main danger for the future of Ukraine is the spread of chaos by extremists and neo-Nazis.

    Russia is doing all it can to promote early stabilisation in Ukraine. We are firmly convinced that this can be achieved through, among other steps: real constitutional reform, which would ensure the legitimate rights of all Ukrainian regions and respond to demands from its south-eastern region to make Russian the state's second official language; firm guarantees on Ukraine's non-aligned status enshrined in its laws, thus ensuring its role as a connecting link in an indivisible European security architecture; and urgent measures to halt activity by illegal armed formations of the Right Sector and other ultra-nationalist groups.

    We are not imposing anything on anyone, we just see that if it is not done, Ukraine will continue to spiral into crisis with unpredictable consequences. We stand ready to join international efforts aimed at achieving these goals. We support the appeal by foreign ministers of Germany, France and Poland to implement the 21 February agreement. Their proposal – to hold Russia-EU talks with the participation of Ukraine and other Eastern Partnership states about the consequences of EU association agreements – corresponds to our position.

    The world of today is not a junior school where teachers assign punishments at will. Belligerent statements such as those heard at the Nato foreign ministers meeting in Brussels on 1 April do not match demands for a de-escalation. De-escalation should begin with rhetoric. It is time to stop the groundless whipping-up of tension, and to return to serious common work.

    • This article was amended on 8 April 2014. The sixth paragraph originally referred to "firm guarantees on Ukraine's non-aligned status to be enshrined in its laws". This was changed to "firm guarantees on Ukraine's non-aligned status enshrined in its laws" as its status is already enshrined in law."

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    Re: Russia Claims American Mercenaries Are in Eastern Ukraine

    Who would read that?

    It doesn't count as a retort.

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