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    Re: 10 business honchos about to flood Congress with money

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    Re: 10 business honchos about to flood Congress with money

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, I don't assume bribery, on either side. I don't assume Soros is bribing anyone anymore than I believe Koch is being bribed.

    I also believe these large money donors do their due diligence before donating to a candidate. They are not chasing candidates who don't share their ideals. That would be pointless. They chase candidates who they know when in DC will push their ideals, and by extension, the donor ideals.
    Most of the dealings in DC have nothing to do with the voters' "main concerns" or even any issues being discussed during the campaign. While the voters may focus on "issues" like SSM, immigration reform and "jobs" the big money folks quietly get tax breaks, outright subsidies and other "special" laws passed to reduce any competition (foreign or domestic).
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    Re: 10 business honchos about to flood Congress with money

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    Jimmy Carter: Unchecked Political Contributions Are 'Legal Bribery'

    ormer President Jimmy Carter said Wednesday that unchecked political contributions are "legal bribery of candidates" and denounced a U.S. Supreme Court ruling that made possible unlimited spending by outside groups, including corporations and labor union
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    Re: 10 business honchos about to flood Congress with money

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What a nice way to all of this. You do realize that those who don't have a lot of money don't make large contributions to many candidates. Correct? And that by being able to contribute to many candidates it'll simply mean more backdoor deals with our elected officials and wider influence. Yes? Did you even read the link?



    The minute there are no longer limits on the amount which can be donated, we'll see the door wide opened for politicians who are quite literally owned by corporations.
    Then we need to stop electing people who can be bought and start throwing those who have been bought In jail. The solution isn't to silence the voice of the people, it's to get people elected who represent the People and those who provide benefit to their election donors by use of their position need to be thrown in jail. FIX THE PROBLEM!!
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    Re: 10 business honchos about to flood Congress with money

    It would seem then, that Carter and I have much the same opinion.....though Mine does not involve unchecked contributions.

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    Re: 10 business honchos about to flood Congress with money

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-e...140020944.html



    The best part about this entire ****ty decision is that there were members of SCOTUS who didn't think it went far enough. Some actually were in support of what is essentially buying your own congressman. The RNCs complicity in this is what's most shocking. The same people complaining about the influence of rich left wingers like George Soros have now effectively given those rich left wingers the power to put large amounts of cash in Democratic coffers. This, along the Senate's recent decision to approve the nuclear option mean we are headed down an EXTREMELY dangerous path of undemocratic election policies.
    Politics is a filthy corrupt business. The bill for that corruption doesn't change a thing. The only thing that can clean it up is the voters and the voters are pretty corrupt too for the most part. In other words, this decision is meaningless.

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    Re: 10 business honchos about to flood Congress with money

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    So you believe it's ok for organisations to exert influence over politicians? That the rich and powerful deserve more of a voice in the running of the nation?
    Well, honestly spud to a point I'm conflict on this.

    I mean, let's be honest here...those who devote more resources to ANYTHING generally have a greater voice in that thing.

    Take a boycott of A&E because some crazy bearded guy said he doesn't like gay marriage. A person devoting the resource of his time to think "man, I don't like that, I'm not watching that show anymore" has significantly less impact...or "voice"...than someone who takes that a step further and tries to be a facebook activist encouraging others on their feed to boycott as well. And THAT person is probably having a lesser voice than a person whose devoting time and money to actually going out and getting signatures on a petition and mailing them to a bunch of the corporate sponsors. And so on.

    Even with politics....we're lying to ourselves if we're saying each person has, or "deserves" the same "voice" in running of the nation. To say that would suggest that we should all be as active as the least active person within the nation.

    Someone who just goes out to vote on Presidential elections has less of a voice in the running of the country than someone who votes in every election. That person has less of a voice than someone who votes every time and encourages friends to vote. That person has less than the person who does all that and actively puts signs around. Or perhaps donates money to a group running a political ad. Or a local business owner who runs an add in the community paper. Or volunteers out front of a polling place. The people running ground games for candidates in various towns and cities have a much greater voice than most average votes.

    We're fooling ourselves if we're suggesting all people have the same voice in how the government is run; we don't. Nor do I think should we. There's a discussion perhaps to be had in terms of a matter of degree....but the kumbaya, "no one deserves more", notion is just a bit unrealistic and ridiculous to me.

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    Re: 10 business honchos about to flood Congress with money

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What a nice way to all of this. You do realize that those who don't have a lot of money don't make large contributions to many candidates. Correct? And that by being able to contribute to many candidates it'll simply mean more backdoor deals with our elected officials and wider influence. Yes? Did you even read the link?



    The minute there are no longer limits on the amount which can be donated, we'll see the door wide opened for politicians who are quite literally owned by corporations.
    They already are owned by the corporations and the rich. This means that in order to maintain what influence, "they" being corporation and wealthy people have, they are going to have to open their pocket books much more. Its going to be a spiral. Eventually they will come to a self imposed limit on how much money they can send or the ROI does not make sense. Politicians are going to still need more money still as the money gets used up. The previous limits actually help preserve the capital of the wealthy. Basically there is going to be a race to gain or most likely maintain influence, which will become more difficult because of the amount of money required to play the game. It becomes an exponential curve in difficulty as politicians compete to get as much money as they can. As we all know there is never enough money in a politicians pocket.
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