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    Re: 10 business honchos about to flood Congress with money

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Spare me spud. Such a bull**** arguement. Politics has always involved influence. CU doesn't suddenly change that.
    CU dramatically increases the ability of individuals (corporations), to utilize the most prominent and easiest form of "Influence" available.

    It has made bribery and corruption legal, which makes the election process questionable.

    Likely, those who see this as acceptable also believe voter fraud is a big problem....it makes no sense to me.

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    Re: 10 business honchos about to flood Congress with money

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    As a conservative, do you really think this would lead to less government?
    Nailed it. That conservatives are happy with this decision shows just how unthinkingly partisan they've become. "Now we can compete with unions herp-a-derp".
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    Re: 10 business honchos about to flood Congress with money

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    CU dramatically increases the ability of individuals (corporations), to utilize the most prominent and easiest form of "Influence" available.

    It has made bribery and corruption legal, which makes the election process questionable.

    Likely, those who see this as acceptable also believe voter fraud is a big problem....it makes no sense to me.
    I'll bite.

    Can you give some examples of the bribery?

    Let's say Koch finances Paul Ryan's campaign with unlimited donations. Then the voters cast their ballots, and Ryan gets elected. What would the Koch companues get out of Paul Ryan when he wins that they wouldn't have gotten if his opponent won?

    Or let's say George Soros financed Dianne Feinstein's campaign with unlimited donations. Dianne Feinstein gets re-elected by the people. What is she doing that is at Soros' discretion and not the discretion of Feinstein?

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    Re: 10 business honchos about to flood Congress with money

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'll bite.

    Can you give some examples of the bribery?

    Let's say Koch finances Paul Ryan's campaign with unlimited donations. Then the voters cast their ballots, and Ryan gets elected. What would the Koch companues get out of Paul Ryan when he wins that they wouldn't have gotten if his opponent won?

    Or let's say George Soros financed Dianne Feinstein's campaign with unlimited donations. Dianne Feinstein gets re-elected by the people. What is she doing that is at Soros' discretion and not the discretion of Feinstein?
    As anyone of any intellect whatsoever would know....I am not privy to either of these politicians or what they might do. One is left to assumption and generalization in this scenario, and considering the ways money influences human decisions it is likely there would be subtle or even blatant back scratching going on.

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    Re: 10 business honchos about to flood Congress with money

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    CU dramatiInfluence ally increases the ability of individuals (corporations), to utilize the most prominent and easiest form of "Influence" available.

    It has made bribery and corruption legal, which makes the election process questionable.

    Likely, those who see this as acceptable also believe voter fraud is a big problem....it makes no sense to me.
    please stop the silly talking points bull**** would ya? Free speech is what CU hung on. Influence by those with money will ALWAYS be a part of the political game. Always. I look at who stands to lose and gain.
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    Re: 10 business honchos about to flood Congress with money

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What a nice way to all of this. You do realize that those who don't have a lot of money don't make large contributions to many candidates. Correct? And that by being able to contribute to many candidates it'll simply mean more backdoor deals with our elected officials and wider influence. Yes? Did you even read the link?



    The minute there are no longer limits on the amount which can be donated, we'll see the door wide opened for politicians who are quite literally owned by corporations.
    And this is different from now, how? Money has always talked.
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    Re: 10 business honchos about to flood Congress with money

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    please stop the silly talking points bull**** would ya? Free speech is what CU hung on. Influence by those with money will ALWAYS be a part of the political game. Always. I look at who stands to lose and gain.
    These are my opinions, not "Talking Points".

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    Re: 10 business honchos about to flood Congress with money

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    CU dramatically increases the ability of individuals (corporations), to utilize the most prominent and easiest form of "Influence" available.

    It has made bribery and corruption legal, which makes the election process questionable.

    Likely, those who see this as acceptable also believe voter fraud is a big problem....it makes no sense to me.
    What? Bribery/corruption has nothing to do with who gets elected - only what they do after winning the election. Many "big donors" give to both sides thus assuring that, no matter who wins, they get "their guy" in office.
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    Re: 10 business honchos about to flood Congress with money

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What? Bribery/corruption has nothing to do with who gets elected - only what they do after winning the election. Many "big donors" give to both sides thus assuring that, no matter who wins, they get "their guy" in office.
    I am sure you believe this to be true.

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    Re: 10 business honchos about to flood Congress with money

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    As anyone of any intellect whatsoever would know....I am not privy to either of these politicians or what they might do. One is left to assumption and generalization in this scenario, and considering the ways money influences human decisions it is likely there would be subtle or even blatant back scratching going on.
    No, I don't assume bribery, on either side. I don't assume Soros is bribing anyone anymore than I believe Koch is being bribed.

    I also believe these large money donors do their due diligence before donating to a candidate. They are not chasing candidates who don't share their ideals. That would be pointless. They chase candidates who they know when in DC will push their ideals, and by extension, the donor ideals.

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