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    Re: Navies of Iran, Pakistan to hold joint drill in Hormuz strait

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The Iranian navy isn't really the problem. Mines and land based anti-ship missiles are. Oil tankers are slow, huge, incredibly fragile and filled to the brim with flammable materials. The strait makes it impossible to hide or maneuver. Even then, the biggest problem is that civilian operators have zero tolerance for any kind of casualties.

    The U.S. has the ability to force open the strait eventually if Iran tries to close it, but don't pretend that it won't be very very expensive in economic terms.
    We have the ability, but IMO Iran and Pakistan could be betting we don't have the balls.
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    Re: Navies of Iran, Pakistan to hold joint drill in Hormuz strait

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Let's assume that to be the case. Why would Pakistan be working with Iran to do so?
    Power, money, prestige, a chance to hurt western countries.

    Look at what's going on, all of a sudden, NK and China making a show in Asia. Russia pushing west in Europe and Iran conducting joint excersizes with Pakistan in. The Straits of Hormuz. All on the heels of a lack of backbone by the president, the purging of our general officer corps and the announcement that we're drawing our armed forces down to one of it's lowest levels in American history.
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    Re: Navies of Iran, Pakistan to hold joint drill in Hormuz strait

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    This is interesting. I wonder what is the purpose of such an exercise.

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    Re: Navies of Iran, Pakistan to hold joint drill in Hormuz strait

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We have the ability, but IMO Iran and Pakistan could be betting we don't have the balls.
    Given our economic interests in the region, thats a bad bet to make.

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    Re: Navies of Iran, Pakistan to hold joint drill in Hormuz strait

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    This is interesting. I wonder what is the purpose of such an exercise.

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    A demonstration of practical trust-building efforts between two states that have historically enjoyed relatively stable relations but have the potential for much friction. People should not read more into this than there is.

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    Re: Navies of Iran, Pakistan to hold joint drill in Hormuz strait

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The Iranian navy isn't really the problem. Mines and land based anti-ship missiles are. Oil tankers are slow, huge, incredibly fragile and filled to the brim with flammable materials. The strait makes it impossible to hide or maneuver. Even then, the biggest problem is that civilian operators have zero tolerance for any kind of casualties.

    The U.S. has the ability to force open the strait eventually if Iran tries to close it, but don't pretend that it won't be very very expensive in economic terms.
    Tankers are emphatically not fragile. They are some of the largest most heavily hulled vessels afloat today. They can sustain an enormous amount of punishment before being sunk or even damaged beyond repair. Of the 239 crude tankers (from Suez/Afro Max to VLCC) struck by ASCM's, mines, and other weapons during the eponymous 'Tanker War' only 23% were actually sunk or damaged to the point of being written off as a loss by their firms. Even suicide attacks such as the boat bomb that penetrated the outer hull of the Limburg in 2002 was quickly repaired and never endangered the ship.

    These vessels are enormous. Most of the weapons in the Iranian and Iraqi arsenals were too small to do serious damage while military circumstances prevented protracted engagement with vessels other than raids, circumstances that would certainly repeat themselves in a conflict in the Gulf.

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    Re: Navies of Iran, Pakistan to hold joint drill in Hormuz strait

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Hang on aren't Pakistan and Iran opposing sects of islam? This announcement would only make sense if Pakistan followed the Shia sect of Islam.
    Contrary to what some narratives would have you believe there are more factors at work in the Middle East than religious predilections.

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    Re: Navies of Iran, Pakistan to hold joint drill in Hormuz strait

    Sounds like two neighbors who share land borders working together, is that odd?

    is it any different than Canada and the U.S. working together?

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    Re: Navies of Iran, Pakistan to hold joint drill in Hormuz strait

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Given our economic interests in the region, thats a bad bet to make.
    With the current performance of our CIC, they might disagree with you.
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    Re: Navies of Iran, Pakistan to hold joint drill in Hormuz strait

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Sounds like two neighbors who share land borders working together, is that odd?

    is it any different than Canada and the U.S. working together?
    Is it any different than Germany and Rumania working together in the summer of 1941?
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