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    Re: Navies of Iran, Pakistan to hold joint drill in Hormuz strait

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If they closed the Strait of Hormuz, they would have no outlet for their main export, oil. Their revenues would dry up. Surely the US government could get its act together to cut off all foreign aid and to dip into the strategic reserves to keep us going until the two governments saw the light and opened the Strait once again.

    and, if it stayed closed long enough, the world price of oil would go up to the point that it would be economical for the US and Canada to develop those reserves. After that, we could just give the Middle East the finger and let them swim in their oil.
    It wouldn't be closed for more than 24 hours, just long enough to send a few Iranian and Pakistani boats to the bottom.
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    Re: Navies of Iran, Pakistan to hold joint drill in Hormuz strait

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    It wouldn't be closed for more than 24 hours, just long enough to send a few Iranian and Pakistani boats to the bottom.
    Wouldn't that block the strait?
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    Re: Navies of Iran, Pakistan to hold joint drill in Hormuz strait

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    Wouldn't that block the strait?
    I doubt they have boats that big. The straits are 21 miles wide, at it's narrowest point, so I doubt anyone has boats that big, or enough of the to block the channel.
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    Re: Navies of Iran, Pakistan to hold joint drill in Hormuz strait

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    I doubt they have boats that big. The straits are 21 miles wide, at it's narrowest point, so I doubt anyone has boats that big, or enough of the to block the channel.
    Oh. I didn't know it was that big.

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    Re: Navies of Iran, Pakistan to hold joint drill in Hormuz strait

    Hang on aren't Pakistan and Iran opposing sects of islam? This announcement would only make sense if Pakistan followed the Shia sect of Islam.
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    Re: Navies of Iran, Pakistan to hold joint drill in Hormuz strait

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Hang on aren't Pakistan and Iran opposing sects of islam? This announcement would only make sense if Pakistan followed the Shia sect of Islam.
    But, they're all Muslims. The, "infidels", are their common enemy.
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    Re: Navies of Iran, Pakistan to hold joint drill in Hormuz strait

    The goal of the Islamists (not all Muslims) is to establish a Caliphate that would in effect be a theocracy that would force everyone to abide by their view of right and wrong. According to their worldview, freedom is evil, as it allows people to disobey the commands of Allah. In pursuit of that goal, it is the infidel who is the real enemy, not other sects of Islam. Their values are so at odds with those of most of the western democracies that it is difficult for us to even understand those values. We believe in liberty, in personal choice and responsibility. They do not. They believe that Allah must command, and everyone, but everyone must obey.
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    Re: Navies of Iran, Pakistan to hold joint drill in Hormuz strait

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Hang on aren't Pakistan and Iran opposing sects of islam? This announcement would only make sense if Pakistan followed the Shia sect of Islam.
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    But, they're all Muslims. The, "infidels", are their common enemy.

    Pakistan has complex relations with Iran

    Pakistan has generally tighter relations with Saudi Arabia and the US, but due to proximity Iran and Pakistan do have some relationships.

    Iran has built a natural gas pipeline to Pakistan, that Pakistan due to pressure by SA and the USA has not completed within its territory, despite a need for the gas. Pakistan does harbor Baloch terrorists who probably have had support by the US government, the Balochis have attacked Iran using Pakistan as a base. This despite the issues Pakistan has with the balochis as well
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    Re: Navies of Iran, Pakistan to hold joint drill in Hormuz strait

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It wouldn't be closed for more than 24 hours, just long enough to send a few Iranian and Pakistani boats to the bottom.
    The Iranian navy isn't really the problem. Mines and land based anti-ship missiles are. Oil tankers are slow, huge, incredibly fragile and filled to the brim with flammable materials. The strait makes it impossible to hide or maneuver. Even then, the biggest problem is that civilian operators have zero tolerance for any kind of casualties.

    The U.S. has the ability to force open the strait eventually if Iran tries to close it, but don't pretend that it won't be very very expensive in economic terms.

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    Re: Navies of Iran, Pakistan to hold joint drill in Hormuz strait

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The purpose is to work the bugs out of a plan to close the straits.
    Let's assume that to be the case. Why would Pakistan be working with Iran to do so?

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