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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    (Reuters) - A federal judge on Friday dismissed a lawsuit filed against the U.S. government by the families of three American citizens killed by U.S. drones in Yemen, saying senior officials cannot be held personally responsible for money damages for the act of conducting war.

    Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge | Reuters

    This is injustice on many different levels.

    1. The US government has not declared war on any nation, specifically Yemen.
    2. This was a targeted assassination, not a battle in any war zone.
    3. It was SPECIFICALLY directed at American citizens, civilians, not foreign troops.
    4. In legal terms, the dismissal is a violation of the First Amendment's protected right of redress.

    I'm sure there's more but these are some of the main issues.
    I didn't know we were at war with Yemen.

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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by Soupnazi630 View Post
    I didn't know we were at war with Yemen.
    Again, why would this matter? The US is operating in Yemen with Yemenese support.
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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Again, why would this matter? The US is operating in Yemen with Yemenese support.
    It matters because of the decision made by the court.

    According to the OP the court has decided that people cannot sue the government for conducting war.

    Which is not being conducted.

    It also matters because these were American citizens killed by the US government. I forget what clause of the constitution allows for that.

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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    The protections of the constitution should most certainly apply to Americans abroad, especially the protection against being killed by our government. But more than that, those protections should guide how we interact with the world as a whole. They are not just rights we have against our own government, they are how we think governments and nations should behave. The United States believes that governments killing people without due process is wrong. We should apply that everywhere. The United States believes that cruel and unusual punishment is wrong. We should apply that everywhere. The United States believes in equality of race, gender, and religion. We should apply that everywhere.
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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The protections of the constitution should most certainly apply to Americans abroad, especially the protection against being killed by our government. But more than that, those protections should guide how we interact with the world as a whole. They are not just rights we have against our own government, they are how we think governments and nations should behave. The United States believes that governments killing people without due process is wrong. We should apply that everywhere. The United States believes that cruel and unusual punishment is wrong. We should apply that everywhere. The United States believes in equality of race, gender, and religion. We should apply that everywhere.
    True Americans may believe in those human rights doctrines but the US government clearly does not even though government servants are mandated to abide by the Constitution.

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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    True Americans may believe in those human rights doctrines but the US government clearly does not even though government servants are mandated to abide by the Constitution.
    It's easy to piss on our elected officials, but almost no one goes down the path towards public service without being a genuine patriot who loves this country. Even the bad ones.
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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Just because you said so?
    Its not because I said so. You do not bomb people in countries we are not at war with.

    Hahaha you certainly hope so, don't you? God forbid it was it was actually for the purposes of national interest.
    People who care about national interests do not allow another country to come in and drop bombs on their citizens who happen to be near any alleged terrorists.If their politcians are like ours then they have metaphorical stretch marks around their lips because someone give them some cash.

    Yep.



    Then we agree!

    Uhhh...no. We'll help while it's in our best interests to. Your dissension is noted, thank you.

    It is not in our interests to bomb people in countries whom we are not at war with.It is not in our interests bomb an alleged terrorist who has yet to do anything to us.It is not in our interests to turn a country's population against us because we decided to bomb some innocent people.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It's easy to piss on our elected officials
    It is when most do not abide by the Oath of Office (e.g. the current POTUS, not to mention his predecessor). How many honest politicians do you know?

    almost no one goes down the path towards public service without being a genuine patriot who loves this country. Even the bad ones.
    You're terribly idealistic. IMO, most do it to gain power, wealth and fame, not for patriotism and love of country.

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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We are not at war with Yemen.So it doesn't matter what that individual is ALLEGEDLY doing. If we were at war with that country then sure bomb his ass and anyone seeking to harm our troops.
    All Yemen must do is prevent the persons from organizing attacks and start extradition procedures. I have not looked at the Yemen situation exactly, but I assume it is very much like situations I have. If a country allows mass murder in another country to be planned, organized and executed from within the safety of its boarders it is de facto engaging in undeclared war. The attacked country by precedence and law is totally in its rights to stop it with any level of military force required.

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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    But I thought you never read his "sophistry"?
    You must be too young to remember, but I'm not.

    Back during the days of the Bush administration we were inundated with the sophistry of Yoo, Bush, Gonzalez et al

    It was talked about on all the mainstream media.

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