Page 4 of 11 FirstFirst ... 23456 ... LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 102

Thread: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

  1. #31
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:22 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    43,380

    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    No, I have not read the work of Charles Manson or John Yoo, and I don't need to. Their public statements make it very clear that they are criminals, and Yoo's public statements make it clear he is a domestic enemy of the US Constitution and an immoral person.

    There is nothing that can redeem either of them in my view, except for a public retraction and apology from Yoo. That ain't gonna happen. Those "Constitutional Law Professors" have a way of getting elected POTUS.
    I have always found it helpful to read documents, before I comment them.

    ps: What exactly did you not find correct in yoo's analysis?
    Last edited by joG; 04-10-14 at 03:01 PM.

  2. #32
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    New England
    Last Seen
    05-01-14 @ 03:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    12,879

    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    If you want to be protected by the US Constitution, STAY IN THE UNITED STATES, don't go wandering all over the world. If you don't want to be targeted by the US Government/Military DON'T SPEND TIME WITH TERRORISTS. It doesn't seem all that difficult to me.

  3. #33
    Sage
    OldWorldOrder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Last Seen
    10-12-15 @ 12:13 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    5,820

    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    What's yours? If over 90% of the casualties in war are innocent civilians and soldiers would be "safer" (or perhaps unnecessary) if war becomes a video game for the most part, then that ratio would likely tilt closer to 100%. How about NO wars of any kind?
    How about everyone just be nice all the time? Good idea!
    The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected.
    -GK Chesterton

  4. #34
    Guru
    soot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Last Seen
    04-25-17 @ 03:28 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    4,308

    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    4. In legal terms, the dismissal is a violation of the First Amendment's protected right of redress.
    To be fair, the 1A doesn't protect any such "right of redress".

    It protects the people's right to petition the government for redress.

    The distinction is between the right to ask for something (petition for redress) and the expectation that one will actually receive something (right of redress).

    The government, through the court, telling a petitioner "no" isn't inconsistent with the 1A.
    “Now it is not good for the Christian’s health to hustle the Aryan brown,
    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

  5. #35
    Sage


    Thoreau72's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:27 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    20,305

    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I have always found it helpful to read documents, before I comment them.

    ps: What exactly did you not find correct in yoo's analysis?
    Yoo's sophistry regarding torture and other unconstitutional actions by the government became the cornerstone of much of the policy of the Bush administration. He, Alberto Gonzales, Mukasey and a host of others made a mockery of the rule of law and turned things upside down to justify the Global War On Terror.

    What they set the stage for, Obama has embraced with enthusiasm.

  6. #36
    Sage
    Sherman123's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Northeast US
    Last Seen
    11-23-17 @ 11:12 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    7,774

    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    If you want to be protected by the US Constitution, STAY IN THE UNITED STATES, don't go wandering all over the world. If you don't want to be targeted by the US Government/Military DON'T SPEND TIME WITH TERRORISTS. It doesn't seem all that difficult to me.
    I thought you didn't really believe in the Constitution? What with all of those women friendly amendments.

  7. #37
    Sage
    OldWorldOrder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Last Seen
    10-12-15 @ 12:13 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    5,820

    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Yoo's sophistry regarding torture and other unconstitutional actions by the government became the cornerstone of much of the policy of the Bush administration. He, Alberto Gonzales, Mukasey and a host of others made a mockery of the rule of law and turned things upside down to justify the Global War On Terror.

    What they set the stage for, Obama has embraced with enthusiasm.
    But I thought you never read his "sophistry"?
    The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected.
    -GK Chesterton

  8. #38
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Last Seen
    11-11-15 @ 03:19 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    4,523

    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    To be fair, the 1A doesn't protect any such "right of redress".

    It protects the people's right to petition the government for redress.

    The distinction is between the right to ask for something (petition for redress) and the expectation that one will actually receive something (right of redress).

    The government, through the court, telling a petitioner "no" isn't inconsistent with the 1A.
    You're right. It is a bit hollow though if a judge dismisses a complaint arbitrarily or via some legal convolution. This is especially true when a plaintiff demands a jury trial. But that's a subject for a different thread.

  9. #39
    Sage
    jamesrage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A place where common sense exists
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 09:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    31,067

    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    (Reuters) - A federal judge on Friday dismissed a lawsuit filed against the U.S. government by the families of three American citizens killed by U.S. drones in Yemen, saying senior officials cannot be held personally responsible for money damages for the act of conducting war.

    Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge | Reuters

    This is injustice on many different levels.

    1. The US government has not declared war on any nation, specifically Yemen.
    2. This was a targeted assassination, not a battle in any war zone.
    3. It was SPECIFICALLY directed at American citizens, civilians, not foreign troops.
    4. In legal terms, the dismissal is a violation of the First Amendment's protected right of redress.

    I'm sure there's more but these are some of the main issues.
    How is it conducting war when we are not at war with that country? I have no problem with drones being used to kill people in a country we are at war with.But last I checked we are not at war with Yemen.Hopefully this can be appealed.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

  10. #40
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:22 PM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    43,380

    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Yoo's sophistry regarding torture and other unconstitutional actions by the government became the cornerstone of much of the policy of the Bush administration. He, Alberto Gonzales, Mukasey and a host of others made a mockery of the rule of law and turned things upside down to justify the Global War On Terror.

    What they set the stage for, Obama has embraced with enthusiasm.
    That is one opinion, certainly.

Page 4 of 11 FirstFirst ... 23456 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •