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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    I don't. Without the tangible morality of loss of human life, war literally becomes a video game.
    "War is a Racket" - U.S. General Smedley Butler

    And in all wars, over 90% of the casualties are innocent civilians. Those who dream of waging war via "remote control machines" should stick to Xbox games to satisfy their lust for remote control war, no one gets hurt.

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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    No grounds for dismissal.

    Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was killed at the age of 16 in an American drone strike on October 14, 2011, in Yemen, along with alleged al-Qaeda members two weeks after the death of his father.[251] Nine other people were killed in the same CIA-led attack. Among the dead was a 17-year-old cousin of Abdulrahman.[252] According to U.S. officials the killing of Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was a mistake; the actual target was an Egyptian, Ibrahim al-Banna. Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was reported to have gone out in the desert to search for his missing father but was sitting in a cafe when he was killed.[253] Human rights groups have raised questions as to why an American citizen was killed by the U.S. in a country with which the United States is not at war. Abdulrahman al-Awlaki had no connection to terrorism.

    Out and out cold-blooded murder of an teenager not accused of any crime. The US might as well have sent an assassin to walk up to the boy and put a bullet through his forehead just because they didn't like the shoes he was wearing.
    For clarification Abdulrahman was not the target, several Al-Qaeda officers whom he was congregating with were. My understanding is that we didn't even know he was there.

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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    For clarification Abdulrahman was not the target, several Al-Qaeda officers whom he was congregating with were. My understanding is that we didn't even know he was there.
    From the New York Times:

    Then, on Oct. 14, a missile apparently intended for an Egyptian Qaeda operative, Ibrahim al-Banna, hit a modest outdoor eating place in Shabwa. The intelligence was bad: Mr. Banna was not there, and among about a dozen men killed was the young Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, who had no connection to terrorism and would never have been deliberately targeted.

    Killing dozens of cafe patrons in order to kill one suspected "operative" is morally repugnant. When the suspect is not even there we're dealing with outright cold-blooded murder.

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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    From the New York Times:

    Then, on Oct. 14, a missile apparently intended for an Egyptian Qaeda operative, Ibrahim al-Banna, hit a modest outdoor eating place in Shabwa. The intelligence was bad: Mr. Banna was not there, and among about a dozen men killed was the young Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, who had no connection to terrorism and would never have been deliberately targeted.

    Killing dozens of cafe patrons in order to kill one suspected "operative" is morally repugnant. When the suspect is not even there we're dealing with outright cold-blooded murder.
    Reading the excerpt it doesn't seem like we knew there were a dozen people in the cafe.

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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

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    (Reuters) - A federal judge on Friday dismissed a lawsuit filed against the U.S. government by the families of three American citizens killed by U.S. drones in Yemen, saying senior officials cannot be held personally responsible for money damages for the act of conducting war.

    Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge | Reuters

    This is injustice on many different levels.

    1. The US government has not declared war on any nation, specifically Yemen.
    2. This was a targeted assassination, not a battle in any war zone.
    3. It was SPECIFICALLY directed at American citizens, civilians, not foreign troops.
    4. In legal terms, the dismissal is a violation of the First Amendment's protected right of redress.

    I'm sure there's more but these are some of the main issues.
    this is the consequnces of engaging in a "war on terror"
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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    "War is a Racket" - U.S. General Smedley Butler

    And in all wars, over 90% of the casualties are innocent civilians. Those who dream of waging war via "remote control machines" should stick to Xbox games to satisfy their lust for remote control war, no one gets hurt.
    so it goes
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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    (Reuters) - A federal judge on Friday dismissed a lawsuit filed against the U.S. government by the families of three American citizens killed by U.S. drones in Yemen, saying senior officials cannot be held personally responsible for money damages for the act of conducting war.

    Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge | Reuters

    This is injustice on many different levels.

    1. The US government has not declared war on any nation, specifically Yemen.
    2. This was a targeted assassination, not a battle in any war zone.
    3. It was SPECIFICALLY directed at American citizens, civilians, not foreign troops.
    4. In legal terms, the dismissal is a violation of the First Amendment's protected right of redress.

    I'm sure there's more but these are some of the main issues.
    I believe drone strikes should require letters of marque or reprisal.

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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    One of the main problems in politics is that so many people think that things are well understood and the consequences known, when as here the thing is still developing. I don't know if you ever researched Yoo's work, did a comparative evaluation on handling of the topic in other countries or even read the texts. As a first step in a long evolution of domestic and international legal thinking it was maybe not brilliant and probably not what you would like, but it was also not so bad as you seem to think. At least the Administration thought about things, weighed them and came to understandable decisions. This is much more honest and methodologically correct, than you will find in most of the capitols of our allies.
    No, I have not read the work of Charles Manson or John Yoo, and I don't need to. Their public statements make it very clear that they are criminals, and Yoo's public statements make it clear he is a domestic enemy of the US Constitution and an immoral person.

    There is nothing that can redeem either of them in my view, except for a public retraction and apology from Yoo. That ain't gonna happen. Those "Constitutional Law Professors" have a way of getting elected POTUS.

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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    "War is a Racket" - U.S. General Smedley Butler

    And in all wars, over 90% of the casualties are innocent civilians. Those who dream of waging war via "remote control machines" should stick to Xbox games to satisfy their lust for remote control war, no one gets hurt.
    lol what is your logic here? War shouldn't be safer for soldiers because...war is bad?
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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    lol what is your logic here? War shouldn't be safer for soldiers because...war is bad?
    What's yours? If over 90% of the casualties in war are innocent civilians and soldiers would be "safer" (or perhaps unnecessary) if war becomes a video game for the most part, then that ratio would likely tilt closer to 100%. How about NO wars of any kind?

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