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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Drone strikes against foreign countries without a declaration of war...the weapon of cowards and bullies.
    Hopefully, eventually, most of our military fighting can be done by remote control machines. I support anything that makes our soldiers safer.
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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob0627 View Post
    (Reuters) - A federal judge on Friday dismissed a lawsuit filed against the U.S. government by the families of three American citizens killed by U.S. drones in Yemen, saying senior officials cannot be held personally responsible for money damages for the act of conducting war.

    Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge | Reuters

    This is injustice on many different levels.

    1. The US government has not declared war on any nation, specifically Yemen.
    2. This was a targeted assassination, not a battle in any war zone.
    3. It was SPECIFICALLY directed at American citizens, civilians, not foreign troops.
    4. In legal terms, the dismissal is a violation of the First Amendment's protected right of redress.

    I'm sure there's more but these are some of the main issues.
    1. The US has declared a war on terror.
    2. No it was a military strike
    3. Actually it wasn't it was directed at terrorists. why were americans hanging out with terrorist cells in a non-operation capacity.
    4. actually treason is death.

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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Good. It should have been dismissed sooner.
    No grounds for dismissal.

    Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was killed at the age of 16 in an American drone strike on October 14, 2011, in Yemen, along with alleged al-Qaeda members two weeks after the death of his father.[251] Nine other people were killed in the same CIA-led attack. Among the dead was a 17-year-old cousin of Abdulrahman.[252] According to U.S. officials the killing of Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was a mistake; the actual target was an Egyptian, Ibrahim al-Banna. Abdulrahman al-Awlaki was reported to have gone out in the desert to search for his missing father but was sitting in a cafe when he was killed.[253] Human rights groups have raised questions as to why an American citizen was killed by the U.S. in a country with which the United States is not at war. Abdulrahman al-Awlaki had no connection to terrorism.

    Out and out cold-blooded murder of an teenager not accused of any crime. The US might as well have sent an assassin to walk up to the boy and put a bullet through his forehead just because they didn't like the shoes he was wearing.

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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Good heavens man, we have "found our way" in the GWOT, years ago. That's what the banner on the carrier said: Mission Accomplished, in finding our way in the GWOT. I'm still not sure who "we" actually is, but a way was found to the US Treasury, and it was duly looted, with the GWOT providing the cover for the plunder of the treasury.

    This decision is John Yoo's legacy, and he's teaching law in California. Pretty sad statement for the US Legal Profession, those claiming to favor the rule of law.
    One of the main problems in politics is that so many people think that things are well understood and the consequences known, when as here the thing is still developing. I don't know if you ever researched Yoo's work, did a comparative evaluation on handling of the topic in other countries or even read the texts. As a first step in a long evolution of domestic and international legal thinking it was maybe not brilliant and probably not what you would like, but it was also not so bad as you seem to think. At least the Administration thought about things, weighed them and came to understandable decisions. This is much more honest and methodologically correct, than you will find in most of the capitols of our allies.

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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I also agree that the solution is not to throw our hands up and walk away just because wanted criminals don't want to turn themselves in to law enforcement. I think the solution is rather simple; American suspects should be tried in absentia if they refuse to avail themselves of their right to due process.
    I Think, your proposal is the best alternative and that the due process needs to be public. Involving judges in a secret process is not at all satisfactory. On the other hand, it is quite clear that the type of poof required cannot be the same as in domestic crime prosecution, because the forensics of the foreign battlefield are quite different than in a home.

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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    the US has a long history of using deadly force against peoples without a declaration of war. Why all the outrage now?


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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    the US has a long history of using deadly force against peoples without a declaration of war. Why all the outrage now?
    You're an American, right? Imagine that you go and visit Paris. Does you being out of the country now make it legal for the US government to assassinate you when you haven't been accused of a crime, haven't been investigated for a crime, haven't been charged with a crime, haven't been convicted of a crime, and haven't fled justice after conviction? There you are at the foot of the Eiffel Tower and an American assassin walks up to you and fires a bullet into your head and then walks away. No crime committed.

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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Drone strikes against foreign countries without a declaration of war...the weapon of cowards and bullies.
    We haven't declared war since WW II. Launching imperial, undeclared wars that bog down, kill thousands of Americans, cost trillions of dollars, accomplish nothing, and just propels us into the next undeclared war is sort of our bag.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Hopefully, eventually, most of our military fighting can be done by remote control machines. I support anything that makes our soldiers safer.
    How about avoiding messy, aggressive wars of foreign occupation in the first place?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Lawsuit over American drone strikes dismissed by U.S. judge

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Hopefully, eventually, most of our military fighting can be done by remote control machines. I support anything that makes our soldiers safer.
    I don't. Without the tangible morality of loss of human life, war literally becomes a video game.

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