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Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

Helix said:
monthly jobs report. rage or rejoice.
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Do progressive only look at the jobs gained rather than also factoring the jobs lost? or in other words a net loss?

Of course not because the goal is to make progressives and especially Obama look good.

I know progressive love numbers, so factor in the stimulus - can any of these awesome progressive tell me how much it costs to create these alleged jobs? - even if they exist at all?

I'd bet my balls that it costs more to create a job than what an individual makes via salary..
 
Mr.Nick said:
Do progressive only look at the jobs gained rather than also factoring the jobs lost? or in other words a net loss?
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Does Mr. Nick not realize that the figure reported every month is in net form? Using BLS figures, we lost millions of jobs in 2009 alone. Does that mean that not a single job was added? Or perhaps your understanding of this stuff is virtually non-existent?
 
Mr.Nick said:
Do progressive only look at the jobs gained rather than also factoring the jobs lost? or in other words a net loss?

Of course not because the goal is to make progressives and especially Obama look good.

I know progressive love numbers, so factor in the stimulus - can any of these awesome progressive tell me how much it costs to create these alleged jobs? - even if they exist at all?

I'd bet my balls that it costs more to create a job than what an individual makes via salary..
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i'm not sure exactly what you're asking, but here is what the data looks like back to 2004 (see USA Today link in my post upthread.)

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Helix said:
i'm not sure exactly what you're asking, but here is what the data looks like back to 2004 (see USA Today link in my post upthread.)

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Wonder what happened to those shovels for those shovel ready jobs in the Stimulus passed in February 2009. Seems they didn't get to the locations as promised or there wouldn't have been that many jobs lost in 2009. Easier to blame Bush for the job loss vs. explaining the reality that this was another Obama lie.

Further what people don't want to recognize is that discouraged workers were 700,000 last month and those people although unemployed aren't counted which makes the unemployment rate lower. Obama has had record numbers of discouraged workers making the unemployment rate look better than it really is and that number is reflected in the U-6 reported number of 12.7% as well as the labor participation rate of 63% which still is at record lows.

All this shows is that the Obama economic policy has been a disaster but far too many don't look inside the numbers. There are still fewer people working today than when the recession began in December 2007 and yet the debt has increased over 6.7 trillion dollars in less than 6 years to generate those numbers.

Discouraged workers by month


2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608 642
2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861 929
2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207 1185 1110 1209 1219 1282 1318
2011 993 1020 921 989 822 982 1119 977 1037 967 1096 945
2012 1059 1006 865 968 830 821 852 844 802 813 979 1068
2013 804 885 803 835 780 1027 988 866 852 815 762 861
2014 837 755 698
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I see the monthly, or bi monthly (depending on peoples attention span) talk about the phony jobs numbers is upon us again....:doh

It's all propaganda. If you want to know how this country is doing just ask your neighbor, or friend, or family member that is out there looking for work, and can't find it. Just take a cruise in your electric smart car, and take a look around town, and notice how many businesses are shuttered. How many strip malls that used to have stores, and traffic are now either slotted for, or torn down completely. How many downtown's are only half occupied and operating.....etc.

We have lost a lot in the past 6 years. And no amount of manipulation of statistics make up for the actual eyes on feel of what "the new norm" is...People see that.

People notice that they look for work and only get offered a job with 23 hours a week. People notice that they go to the grocery store today and spend $200. on groceries that a few years ago they spent $150 on. People notice that the same paycheck that they earned 5 years ago hasn't changed, and that the take home has actually gone down because taxes have risen. All of this are the real indicators that people see, and are told that things are getting better? They know that's bull, and will vote accordingly.
 
j-mac said:
I see the monthly, or bi monthly (depending on peoples attention span) talk about the phony jobs numbers is upon us again....:doh

It's all propaganda. If you want to know how this country is doing just ask your neighbor, or friend, or family member that is out there looking for work, and can't find it.
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My neighbors are working or are retired. I'm working at a job with fully paid insurance.

I guess this country is doing quite well, right? I mean, if we're taking personal anecdotes, this country sounds great right now.

Just take a cruise in your electric smart car, and take a look around town, and notice how many businesses are shuttered.
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Only two, and those two buildings are always going out of business, even before the recession.

How many strip malls that used to have stores, and traffic are now either slotted for, or torn down completely. How many downtown's are only half occupied and operating.....etc.
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None where I live *shrug*

We have lost a lot in the past 6 years.
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No, we lost a lot 5 and 6 years ago. There's a big difference in what I said and what you said.

And no amount of manipulation of statistics make up for the actual eyes on feel of what "the new norm" is...People see that.
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Personal anecdotes aside, no one is claiming the economy is as good now as it was in the late 90s. But it IS better than it was in late 2008.

People notice that they look for work and only get offered a job with 23 hours a week.
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Then it sounds like our politicians need to go to work to incentivize job creation in America, instead of providing tax breaks to companies who close plants here and outsource the work to China.

All of this are the real indicators that people see, and are told that things are getting better? They know that's bull, and will vote accordingly.
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Well, they voted in 2012 and America apparently liked the direction in which we were going. We'll see what 2016 brings.
 
Slyfox696 said:
My neighbors are working or are retired. I'm working at a job with fully paid insurance.

I guess this country is doing quite well, right? I mean, if we're taking personal anecdotes, this country sounds great right now.

Only two, and those two buildings are always going out of business, even before the recession.

None where I live *shrug*

No, we lost a lot 5 and 6 years ago. There's a big difference in what I said and what you said.

Personal anecdotes aside, no one is claiming the economy is as good now as it was in the late 90s. But it IS better than it was in late 2008.

Then it sounds like our politicians need to go to work to incentivize job creation in America, instead of providing tax breaks to companies who close plants here and outsource the work to China.

Well, they voted in 2012 and America apparently liked the direction in which we were going. We'll see what 2016 brings.
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Obama got 4 million fewer votes in 2012 than 2008 and the American idol voter still voted with their hearts and not their brain. Far too many don't seem to have the IQ required to vote for results didn't matter and were trumped by rhetoric and a willing media that continued their love affair with the incompetent in the WH
 
Slyfox696 said:
Which is not surprising because there is a larger talent pool than before. When
there are multiple people eager to fill one job, you can afford to pay that position less because someone really needs the job and will take less. When the potential employee pool shrinks, then the position becomes harder to fill and wages/benefits go up to entice people to the position.

Our country needs to focus on finding ways to get people jobs, to incentivize hiring in the country. The problem with this is there's always another election coming around and the last thing one party wants to do is pass legislation which will allow the other party to take credit for getting someone a job and better wages/salary.
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Incentivize ?? You mean like what Texas, the GOP run state is doing to grow their economy ??

Low taxes and a friendly Bussiness environment DOES actually work.

There are 40 House jobs bills sitting in the Senate right now waiting for a vote that will never come.
 
Conservative said:
Obama got 4 million fewer votes in 2012 than 2008
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And 3 and a half million more votes than his next closest challenger. America spoke loud and clear.

Far too many don't seem to have the IQ required to vote
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I agree, but then again, if we did have standards for voting, you probably wouldn't like it very much.
Fenton said:
Incentivize ?? You mean like what Texas, the GOP run state is doing to grow their economy ??

Low taxes and a friendly Bussiness environment DOES actually work.

There are 40 House jobs bills sitting in the Senate right now waiting for a vote that will never come.
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I'm still waiting on you to answer my question from the other thread. Let me know when you get around it.
 
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Obama's economy is on life support, waiting for the inevitable interest rate climb and the best he can do is perpetuate this wage disparity nonsesne and force Millions of Americans to pay way to much for their health insurance. ...or pay a Fine.

The Democrats really have screwed things up.
 
Slyfox696 said:
And 3 and a half million more votes than his next closest challenger. America spoke loud and clear.

I agree, but then again, if we did have standards for voting, you probably wouldn't like it very much.
I'm still waiting on you to answer my question from the other thread. Let me know when you get around it.
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Yes, they spoke that results don't matter and the entitlement crowd won. If you worked in the private sector and generated Obama results you would be fired, not rehired.
 
Conservative said:
Yes, they spoke that results don't matter.
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Or maybe they said results do matter and they preferred the Democrat's results to the results of the last Republican we had as President?
 
Slyfox696 said:
And 3 and a half million more votes than his next closest challenger. America
spoke loud and clear.

I agree, but then again, if we did have standards for voting, you probably wouldn't like it very much.
I'm still waiting on you to answer my question from the other thread. Let me know when you get around it.
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So you can't defend Obama's incompetence ?

And want to derail the read with irrelevant nonsense ?

Fine.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Or maybe they said results do matter and they preferred the Democrat's results to the results of the last Republican we had as President?
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Doubt seriously if any of those American Idol voters even knew the results, they were getting their handouts and need a massive central govt. that Obama is promoting to take the place of the parent they apparently never had. Most people bought the rhetoric about Bush and ignored the results. I have asked over and over again only to be ignored, name for me the Obama economic result that is better than Bush's?
 
Fenton said:
So you can't defend Obama's incompetence ?
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The economy has regained every private sector job it lost in the recession of 2008 and the aftereffects of the recession. The deficit now is roughly half what it was projected to be before Obama stepped into office.

I'm not defending anything, I'm simply stating facts. Take them as you wish.

And want to derail the read with irrelevant nonsense ?
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So you can't answer the question? Is it because you were wrong?
Conservative said:
Doubt seriously if any of those American Idol voters even knew the results
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There's nothing more amusing to me than a team cheerleader who has to create their own reality.
I have asked over and over again only to be ignored, name for me the Obama economic result that is better than Bush's
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Now you're just lying, because I know I've addressed that multiple times myself with you, as have others.
 
Slyfox696 said:
My neighbors are working or are retired. I'm working at a job with fully paid insurance.

I guess this country is doing quite well, right? I mean, if we're taking personal anecdotes, this country sounds great right now.

Only two, and those two buildings are always going out of business, even before the recession.

None where I live *shrug*

No, we lost a lot 5 and 6 years ago. There's a big difference in what I said and what you said.

Personal anecdotes aside, no one is claiming the economy is as good now as it was in the late 90s. But it IS better than it was in late 2008.

Then it sounds like our politicians need to go to work to incentivize job creation in America, instead of providing tax breaks to companies who close plants here and outsource the work to China.

Well, they voted in 2012 and America apparently liked the direction in which we were going. We'll see what 2016 brings.
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:doh

Although I am happy for you that your circumstance is relatively well off, that doesn't comport with reality that most of the country is experiencing.
 
Slyfox696 said:
And 3 and a half million more votes than his next closest challenger. America spoke loud and clear.

I agree, but then again, if we did have standards for voting, you probably wouldn't like it very much.
I'm still waiting on you to answer my question from the other thread. Let me know when you get around it.
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4 million registered Republicans stayed home and didn't vote.
 
Slyfox696 said:
The economy has regained every private sector job it lost in the recession of 2008 and the aftereffects of the recession. The deficit now is roughly half what it was projected to be before Obama stepped into office.

I'm not defending anything, I'm simply stating facts. Take them as you wish.

So you can't answer the question? Is it because you were wrong?


There's nothing more amusing to me than a team cheerleader who has to create their own reality.
Now you're just lying, because I know I've addressed that multiple times myself with you, as have others.
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Regained every job? What planet do you live on?
 
apdst said:
Regained every job? What planet do you live on?
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Again, a perfect example of the distortions from the media and the left. When the recession began in December 2007 there were 146 million working Americans. Are there more or less working today? How about it, Slyfox? You can get the answer at BLS.gov, not the DNC website
 
j-mac said:
I see the monthly, or bi monthly (depending on peoples attention span) talk about the phony jobs numbers is upon us again....:doh
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And I see some still insist that positive jobs reports (the anemic ones are legit) are phony. What a hopeless bunch!

It's all propaganda. If you want to know how this country is doing just ask your neighbor, or friend, or family member that is out there looking for work, and can't find it. Just take a cruise in your electric smart car, and take a look around town, and notice how many businesses are shuttered. How many strip malls that used to have stores, and traffic are now either slotted for, or torn down completely. How many downtown's are only half occupied and operating.....etc.
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Lovely anecdotes, but the jobs survey takes into account areas outside of your town as well. Here in Florida we're doing just fine.
 
jmotivator said:
It's a drop, and we have been adding low wage jobs for a while now. The 1 cent drop shows that we aren't improving the quality of jobs that are being created.
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:shrug: Hourly wages have ticked upwards 10 out of the last 12 months. Portraying this month's one cent decline as some sort of a trend is a fools errand.
 
a351 said:
And I see some still insist that positive jobs reports (the anemic ones are legit) are phony. What a hopeless bunch!



Lovely anecdotes, but the jobs survey takes into account areas outside of your town as well. Here in Florida we're doing just fine.
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How's the old saying go?....."Figures lie, and liars figure" or something like that....You want to buy blindly what is fed you go right ahead.
 
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