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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    I believe this thread may be an example of bias in the media as only those who seem to resort to the most fallacies seem to get the most traction. Is it really incompetence in moderation?

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    I believe this thread may be an example of bias in the media as only those who seem to resort to the most fallacies seem to get the most traction. Is it really incompetence in moderation?
    No one here is officially part of the media, so far as I am aware - or at least, not when they're on this site.
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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Begging the question is usually considered a fallacy.
    So is circular logic young man...And that so far is all you are offering.

    I think I got it right the first time, and, those of the opposing view merely need better reading comprehension to prove they are serious.
    Oh, I comprehend just fine. I am asking you to clarify because you are really giving nothing more than plattitudinal regurgitation of slogan. It explains nothing.

    For instance, you make a statement like:

    I believe our elected representatives to government should not have to be burdened with anything more complicated than a form of minimum wage that simply compensates labor for being unemployed, in any at-will employment jurisdiction.
    But when asked what you mean by an "at will employment jurisdiction", or how, or even why someone NOT working should be, or could be paid minimum wage, where that money would come from, instead of expanding on your often repeated slogan, you simply insult the poster by questioning their "reading comprehension" and repeating again your still unexplained slogan....

    Let's try a different question...Here it is....

    You think that the unemployed should be paid a minimum wage. Leaving aside the questions that you refuse to answer about that, let's look at the welfare state.

    The federal government currently funds 126 separate anti-poverty programs at an annual cost of $688 billion. Of these, 72 provide cash or other benefits directly to poor families. State, county, and municipal governments often operate additional benefit programs. The combined benefits from those multiple overlapping programs can easily add up to the point where welfare simply pays better than work.

    This week, the Cato Institute released a new study calculating the state-by-state value of this typical welfare package for a mother with two children participating in seven common welfare programs Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), food stamps (SNAP), Medicaid, housing assistance, WIC, energy assistance (LIHEAP), and free commodities. We found that, in 2013, the value of those benefits varied widely across states, from a low of $16,984 in Mississippi to an astonishing high of $49,175 in Hawaii.

    In nine states Hawaii, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey, Rhode Island, New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maryland as well as Washington, D.C., annual benefits were worth more than $35,000 a year. The median value of the welfare package across the 50 states is $28,500.

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    We found that, just to break even, a person on welfare would often have to take a job that paid considerably more than the value of the forgone welfare benefits. In Hawaii, for example, a person leaving welfare for work would have to earn more than $60,590 a year to be better off. In fact, welfare currently pays more than a minimum-wage job in 34 states and the District of Columbia. In Hawaii, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington, D.C., welfare pays more than a $20-an-hour job, and in five additional states it yields more than a $15-per-hour job.

    Welfare: A Better Deal than Work | National Review Online
    Now you can pull the semantic game if you wish, but look, these benefits are able today to be accessed while on UE compensation as well. But I want to know

    1. Just what the hell are you talking about when you regurgitate your phrase above with no explanation, and no further elaboration on how, why, or any discussion of your thoughts.

    2. How you would pay for it

    3. Why dependency on the government for sustained wage is a good thing, when studies have show this to be not true.
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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    No one here is officially part of the media, so far as I am aware - or at least, not when they're on this site.
    This site is part of the media or we wouldn't be discussing politics in the public domain on it,

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So is circular logic young man...And that so far is all you are offering.
    Did you know that simply claiming that without providing the relevant argument to support your contention is usually considered an appeal to ignorance?

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    But when asked what you mean by an "at will employment jurisdiction", or how, or even why someone NOT working should be, or could be paid minimum wage, where that money would come from, instead of expanding on your often repeated slogan, you simply insult the poster by questioning their "reading comprehension" and repeating again your still unexplained slogan....
    I believe our elected representatives to government should not have to be burdened with anything more complicated than a form of minimum wage that simply compensates labor for being unemployed, in any at-will employment jurisdiction.

    Did you not claim previously that you understood the concept of employment at will? All you need to know is in that concept.

    What part of, a form of minimum wage that simply compensates unemployed labor for being unemployed in any at-will employment State do you find difficult to understand?

    At will employment is generally described as follows: "any hiring is presumed to be 'at will'; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals 'for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all,' and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work."

    Source: At-will employment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Why do you believe labor should be denied and disparaged recourse to their enumerated rights?
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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Let's try a different question...Here it is....

    You think that the unemployed should be paid a minimum wage. Leaving aside the questions that you refuse to answer about that, let's look at the welfare state.

    Now you can pull the semantic game if you wish, but look, these benefits are able today to be accessed while on UE compensation as well. But I want to know

    1. Just what the hell are you talking about when you regurgitate your phrase above with no explanation, and no further elaboration on how, why, or any discussion of your thoughts.

    2. How you would pay for it

    3. Why dependency on the government for sustained wage is a good thing, when studies have show this to be not true.
    It is about simplification of public policies by using existing legal and physical infrastructure in our republic, instead of merely creating more sense of entitlement (mentality) through more government programs.

    I believe we could lower our tax burden through general forms of taxation on employers instead of our more complicated, current regime. It could be viewed as a market based metric for employment purposes.

    I am not sure those studies apply if they don't account for any sense of entitlement regarding the "rule of law".

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    This site is part of the media or we wouldn't be discussing politics in the public domain on it,
    Guess I'm using a different definition of "media".
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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    I believe our elected representatives to government should not have to be burdened with anything more complicated than a form of minimum wage that simply compensates labor for being unemployed, in any at-will employment jurisdiction.

    Did you not claim previously that you understood the concept of employment at will? All you need to know is in that concept.

    What part of, a form of minimum wage that simply compensates unemployed labor for being unemployed in any at-will employment State do you find difficult to understand?



    Why do you believe labor should be denied and disparaged recourse to their enumerated rights?
    If I understand correctly, you're proposing that anyone who is unemployed (undefined term) should be compensated for such. Not sure how minimum wage fits in there, since if they aren't working, by definition they have no wage, and min wage laws do not apply.

    Unless you're saying that the minimum allowable wage should be a required amount of money for every single person to have, and thus they must be paid min wage even if they aren't working?
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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Guess I'm using a different definition of "media".
    Media is media; or do you believe the public domain does not contain media?

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