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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Let's just assume that simple poverty
    Undefined Term.

    can be solved in a market friendly manner, for now.
    Undefined Term…no context to know what you consider to be market friendly.

    Why do you believe actually solving simple poverty would not be a better promotion of the general welfare than waging an exorbitantly expensive, War on Poverty for around a generation?
    False dichotomy, claiming what th e other person believes, and making an assertion of fact about a debateable concept.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Undefined Term.

    Undefined Term…no context to know what you consider to be market friendly.

    False dichotomy, claiming what th e other person believes, and making an assertion of fact about a debateable concept.
    We can define it later. We can assume, for now, that simple poverty can be solved in a market friendly manner. No. You don't need to know the terms to assume full employment of resources in the market for labor. The theory of demand and supply makes that assumption for you.

    Why do you believe actually solving simple poverty would not be a better promotion of the general welfare than waging an exorbitantly expensive, War on Poverty for around a generation?

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    We can define it later.
    Not if we want a rational discussion, we can't. Though based on you previous posts and refusal to be clear, I'm not convinced you want rational discussion.

    We can assume, for now, that simple poverty can be solved in a market friendly manner.
    I can't assume that when I don't know what you mean by simple poverty or what you would consider market friendly.

    No. You don't need to know th e terms to assume full employment of resources in the market for labor.
    True, but I need to know the terms to know what the connection between "full employment of resources" (which needs to be defined itself) and simple poverty is.

    The theory of demand and supply makes that assumption for you.
    No it doesn't.

    Why do you believe actually solving simple poverty would not be a better promotion of the general welfare than waging an exorbitantly expensive, War on Poverty for around a generation?
    Since I don't know what you mean by simple poverty, so I have no idea what could be involved in solving it. And since I don't know what you consider to be the "war on poverty," I can't say which is better.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Not if we want a rational discussion, we can't. Though based on you previous posts and refusal to be clear, I'm not convinced you want rational discussion.

    I can't assume that when I don't know what you mean by simple poverty or what you would consider market friendly.

    True, but I need to know the terms to know what the connection between "full employment of resources" (which needs to be defined itself) and simple poverty is.

    No it doesn't.

    Since I don't know what you mean by simple poverty, so I have no idea what could be involved in solving it. And since I don't know what you consider to be the "war on poverty," I can't say which is better.
    Why would it matter if we merely assume it for now and define it later?

    Why do you believe actually solving simple poverty would not be a better promotion of the general welfare than waging an exorbitantly expensive, War on Poverty for around a generation?

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Why would it matter if we merely assume it for now and define it later?
    How can one assume something to be true if you don't know what it is? And why can't you, or rather, REFUSE TO, define your terms?

    Why do you believe actually solving simple poverty would not be a better promotion of the general welfare than waging an exorbitantly expensive, War on Poverty for around a generation?
    I don't know if I believe that or not.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Why do you believe actually solving simple poverty, hypothetically, would not be a better promotion of the general welfare than waging an exorbitantly expensive, War on Poverty for around a generation.
    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    I don't know if I believe that or not.
    Why not?

    Let's even assume that solving simple poverty entails ensuring full employment of resources in the market for labor.

    Why do you believe actually solving simple poverty, hypothetically, would not be a better promotion of the general welfare than waging an exorbitantly expensive, War on Poverty for around a generation.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Why do you believe actually solving simple poverty, hypothetically, would not be a better promotion of the general welfare than waging an exorbitantly expensive, War on Poverty for around a generation.

    Why not?
    Because, for the fourth time now, nobody knows what you mean by simple poverty, nor what you consider to be the war on poverty.

    How can one say if X is better or worse than Y without knowing what X or Y are?
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    There is no simple poverty in this country. Simple poverty was solved long, long ago.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Because, for the fourth time now, nobody knows what you mean by simple poverty, nor what you consider to be the war on poverty.

    How can one say if X is better or worse than Y without knowing what X or Y are?
    Let's assume we can end our War on Poverty by solving simple poverty in a market friendly manner and lower our Tax burden as a result.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    There is no simple poverty in this country. Simple poverty was solved long, long ago.
    You may need to read up on issue. Only absolute poverty has been solved for, mostly, due to Socialism bailing out Capitalism like usual. So, we are usually referring to relative poverty when discussing poverty in the US.

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