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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Simply appealing to ignorance is no way to inspire any confidence in your sincerity. Did you know that corporate welfare even pays multi-million dollar bonuses?
    Do you realize that the so called "Corporate welfare" doesn't cost you a dime nor any taxpayer? You don't seem to understand the difference between tax dollars and private industry dollars. With all due respect, how old are you? You usually only find young people promoting socialism whereas those of us older understand socialism and want no part of it. This country wasn't built on socialism and as has been pointed out to you bailouts aren't or shouldn't be part of capitalism. Failure is a part of life and if you fail there are or should be consequences for failure. When you bail someone out they learn nothing and will continue to make the same mistakes over and over again.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

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    Do you realize that the so called "Corporate welfare" doesn't cost you a dime nor any taxpayer? You don't seem to understand the difference between tax dollars and private industry dollars. With all due respect, how old are you? You usually only find young people promoting socialism whereas those of us older understand socialism and want no part of it. This country wasn't built on socialism and as has been pointed out to you bailouts aren't or shouldn't be part of capitalism. Failure is a part of life and if you fail there are or should be consequences for failure. When you bail someone out they learn nothing and will continue to make the same mistakes over and over again.
    Income transfers are income transfers when it comes to welfare.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    no, I didn't the point, maybe the point you wanted to focus on wasn't clearly stated but I responded.
    Yes, and your response missed the point. Different situations are different. I've said it many times now.
    Not at all, I probably give more to charity than you make in a year


    So? What does that have to do with you trying to project a false image of yourself being an open minded voter? It's not hard to stay on topic, at least not if you have a salient point.

    Sorry, but that is the issue, you voted for someone because of the rhetoric whereas the results didn't matter and then you lower your standards to accept terrible results. 6.7 trillion added to th e debt to get back to where we were before the recession is terrible and to accept the fact that we aren't any better off today than 7 years ago says a lot about you

    See what I mean, you buy what you are told and have no concept of leadership. Check out Reagan's results 4 years after the end of a worse recession than we had this time around. You weren't around, I was, and you really have no idea what high inflation, high interest rates, and high unemployment do to the moral of the American people as well as the economy
    And here you are proving me right about your copy and paste job, regurgitating the same disproven rhetoric time and again. Keep dancing.

    How dare the Federal Govt. spend the money people contributed to SS and Medicare on issues other than Medicare and SS.
    How dare the government allow that money to sit and fall prey to inflation? Do you even understand the basics behind how SS works?

    How dare people like you ignore the fact that the families of those people who die before collecting SS and Medicare lose their contributions.
    Social Security is not a retirement fund. How dare you not understand what you're talking about when you criticize?

    How dare personal responsibility be something you don't understand
    I cannot begin to tell you how hard I laughed when you're criticizing me for not understanding, immediately after showing a lack of understanding of Social Security.

    At the end of the day, "entitlement spending" is increasing as the Baby Boomers continue to grow older. It's going to continue to increase for the foreseeable future. So unless you're advocating for my 80 year old grandfather to get off his lazy butt and go back to work, your comment of "spending in the name of compassion has generated record numbers dependent on the Federal govt" doesn't mean much.

    LOL, again, you ignore that the deficit was at record levels over a trillion dollars a year
    I didn't ignore that at all. I specifically said Obama INHERITED the $1.2 trillion in deficits and has since cut it in half. Could you please take more time to read before you respond?

    so cutting it in half still generates record deficits and adds to the debt.
    Logically speaking, how does cutting deficit in half generate record deficit? Just by sheer mathematics, that doesn't make sense.

    Wow, really? This is how you think?
    Yes, I think facts are important. The CBO projected a $1.2 trillion deficit in January 2009, before Obama even took office. Roughly 5 years later, the deficit was about half of that $1.2 trillion deficit Obama inherited. And while we've cut the deficit in half, we've also recovered every private sector job lost.

    All under Obama. You should be thanking the man.

    Emotional rhetoric that has nothing to do with the topic.
    It has everything to do with the topic, because those are the type of people you call dependent on the federal government.

    [qutoe]People who contributed to SS and Medicare deserve to have their investment back. [/quote]Social Security is not an investment. You clearly don't understand how Social Security works. Please research Social Security.

    The best you can do is focus on something that isn't really the issue at all
    Everything I've said has exactly been the issue. Different situations are different (comparing Obama and Reagan recessions, which you still don't understand). Dependency is, in large part, due to people retiring. The policies of Obama have been in effect while we've recovered every private sector job lost and cut the deficit Obama inherited in half. Social Security is not a retirement plan.

    Everything I've said has been on topic. You just need to understand things a little better, it does appear.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Income transfers are income transfers when it comes to welfare.
    No they aren't, you really don't understand the private sector economy at all. How does any company that you don't purchase from affect you and your family? You choose where to spend your money, not so with taxes and the govt. They collect it and spend it for you.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No they aren't, you really don't understand the private sector economy at all. How does any company that you don't purchase from affect you and your family? You choose where to spend your money, not so with taxes and the govt. They collect it and spend it for you.
    A bailout is a bailout.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Slyfox696;1063140826]Yes, and your response missed the point. Different situations are different. I've said it many times now.
    That is why things are better at the state level rather than the one size fits all Federal programs you and others promote

    So? What does that have to do with you trying to project a false image of yourself being an open minded voter? It's not hard to stay on topic, at least not if you have a salient point.
    My ideology promotes individual responsibility, neighbor helping neighbor, and social programs residing where they belong, at the state and local level. Any politician that promotes those has my support. You don't seem to understand the concept. As stated and you ignored, we have a Lesbian, Democrat Mayor of Houston who is fiscally conservative and as a result has bipartisan support including mine. Social issues aren't the responsibility of the Federal Govt. except to promote an atmosphere that assists in solving those kind of problems meaning people helping others not the govt. bureaucrats.

    And here you are proving me right about your copy and paste job, regurgitating the same disproven rhetoric time and again. Keep dancing.
    Keep singing the same old song and believing the liberal rhetoric and I will continue to give you the same answers until they finally sink in

    How dare the government allow that money to sit and fall prey to inflation? Do you even understand the basics behind how SS works?
    LOL, I contributed to SS for 35 years and you claim I don't know how it works? You have a very high opinion of yourself which just covers up your own insecurities. SS was designed as a supplement but it never was intended to be used and it certainly wasn't intended for a sole retirement program. It is the govt. that creates inflation, not the private sector as the govt. produces nothing really of value thus creating more workers than there are products driving up cost.

    Social Security is not a retirement fund. How dare you not understand what you're talking about when you criticize?
    Already explained to you what SS was, a supplement, not sole retirement that many people including you are making it.


    At the end of the day, "entitlement spending" is increasing as the Baby Boomers continue to grow older. It's going to continue to increase for the foreseeable future. So unless you're advocating for my 80 year old grandfather to get off his lazy butt and go back to work, your comment of "spending in the name of compassion has generated record numbers dependent on the Federal govt" doesn't mean much.
    It was the govt. that created those entitlements and forcing people to contribute. It is you that doesn't seem to understand the concept. Your 80 year old grandfather was forced to contribute and is not entitled to his money back withe a return on investment for that contribution

    I didn't ignore that at all. I specifically said Obama INHERITED the $1.2 trillion in deficits and has since cut it in half. Could you please take more time to read before you respond
    Logically speaking, how does cutting deficit in half generate record deficit? Just by sheer mathematics, that doesn't make sense.
    No, it is you that doesn't understand the budget process at all, there was NO Bush Budget, but there was a budget proposal from Bush that was rejected. He inherited a PROJECTION not a budget deficit and could have corrected that but Obama signed the budget in March 2009 making it his budget and included his priorities. You have no understanding of projections vs. reality. Bush's largest deficit was less than 500 billion dollars, Obama has never had one that low and proposing a 3.9 trillion dollar budget shows he isn't serious about the budget deficit or the debt. I don't think I would be taking victory laps over cutting the 1.2 trillion dollar budget deficit to 600 billion dollars which still is in record territory. What exactly did Obama do to cut that deficit? Think about it.

    Yes, I think facts are important. The CBO projected a $1.2 trillion deficit in January 2009, before Obama even took office. Roughly 5 years later, the deficit was about half of that $1.2 trillion deficit Obama inherited. And while we've cut the deficit in half, we've also recovered every private sector job lost.
    See above

    All under Obama. You should be thanking the man.
    Why would I thank anyone for increasing the debt, having stagnant economic growth, having 20 million Americans unemployed, under employed, discouraged?

    It has everything to do with the topic, because those are the type of people you call dependent on the federal government.

    "People who contributed to SS and Medicare deserve to have their investment back."Social Security is not an investment. You clearly don't understand how Social Security works. Please research Social Security.
    There in lies the problem, why are people forced to contribute to any govt. program and get nothing out of it? If this is what you truly believe then it is very sad. Do you have any idea how much people and businesses give to the govt. for SS. You don't think people should get that back?

    Everything I've said has exactly been the issue. Different situations are different (comparing Obama and Reagan recessions, which you still don't understand). Dependency is, in large part, due to people retiring. The policies of Obama have been in effect while we've recovered every private sector job lost and cut the deficit Obama inherited in half. Social Security is not a retirement plan.

    Everything I've said has been on topic. You just need to understand things a little better, it does appear.
    Look up the definition of Personal responsibility and then cut out that definition and post it where you see it every day. I lived and worked through both so it is you that doesn't understand the two nor do you understand leadership

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    A bailout is a bailout.
    Yes, but bailing out a private business with taxpayer dollars is something no govt. should do and is the difference that you don't seem to understand

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

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    Yes, but bailing out a private business with taxpayer dollars is something no govt. should do and is the difference that you don't seem to understand
    A bailout of the private sector is a bailout of the private sector; you all only seem to have a problem when the least wealthy get bailed out.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    A bailout of the private sector is a bailout of the private sector; you all only seem to have a problem when the least wealthy get bailed out.
    You don't seem to get it at all, I am against bailing out any private sector business regardless of their wealth. You go into business you take the risk and if you fail because of actions under your control then no bailout should ever be given.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You don't seem to get it at all, I am against bailing out any private sector business regardless of their wealth. You go into business you take the risk and if you fail because of actions under your control then no bailout should ever be given.
    Dude, corporate welfare even has paid for multi-million dollar bonuses.

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