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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    And you const a burly refer to your opinion or belief.
    Took me a few seconds to find "constantly" in there. I const a burly refer to my to-do list, but just when it starts to get whittled down, more items are added.

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Stating sample size, methodology, probability error, benchmarks, etc, how is bias possible? They're just facts.
    Exactly. It doesn't make any sense to question the details you posted, and I for one appreciate yer doing it. I can often fight my way through statistical design, but I don't have a whole lot of aptitude for it, which may explain why I just don't like it. I'm always eager to move on to the policy implications.

    This issue can perhaps be understood by thinking of an omelet recipe. You might not like my favourite omelet, but does it make sense for you to question my statement of the ingredients and the steps involved in its production? They are what they are, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I am here to learn, teach and kill time.
    You say yer here in part to learn. Well, the opportunity to do so is readily available. But in this case I'd say you refuse it. You seem to be not at all interested in facts; you want to talk about how the Obama administration is damaging the economy and lying to cover it up. You claim we actually lost 73K jobs in April. Did you post in last month's thread claiming that, while the CES showed we added only 203K, the number to look at was the 476K from the CPS? In December's thread, were you advising people not to be misled by the CES estimate of +274K, and to instead rely on the +958K CPS figure?

    And btw, I'm of course familiar with the idiom, but I always say you really can't kill time — it's works the other way around. Always to be valued; never to be wasted. On the other hand, the most important things are timeless.

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    We are all going to post links that appear to be bias to the other side.
    I know what you mean, but I try not to be one a "side." Well, as a Red Sox fan, yes, but not when it comes to public policy. My intent is to be open to what works.

    >>far left liberals accuse CNN of being conservative … those on the far right accuse the same station of being liberal

    I accuse it of being boring most of the time. The sobering thing is that when a real crisis hits, especially an international one, I go straight to them. Let's hope they can keep right on being boring.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    I have every confidence that a typical eight-year-old could follow the format without a bit of difficulty: comments I'm responding to are preceded by two angle brackets; my responses are not. Is it really all that complicated? If it is, just don't bother reading my posts. Problem solved.

    >>Use the " Reply with Quote " button, and then copy and paste the beginning and ending of the "Quote" function when you want to make additional replies. I know you can do it

    I would simply type "
    " if I wanted to, saving the clipboard for other material. And yet I choose not to. ☺[/QUOTE]

    Lol !!

    Seriously ? We have to adapt to your arbitrarily and ad hoc system ?

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    We have to adapt to your arbitrarily and ad hoc system ?
    No, you don't; no one is forcing you or anyone else to read or respond to my posts.

    My "system" is not ad hoc; I've used it for many years, most of them as an administrator in a very busy forum. Fwiw, the only people who have had a problem with it are those who disagree with my views and become discouraged at their inability to refute my arguments.

    I might otherwise be baffled by claims that it creates any confusion whatsoever; I figure it's just a very weak form of excuse-making. Otoh, I suppose it may be true that some people just aren't very clever, e.g., those who blame the recent near-collapse of the financial sector on the CRA.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    No, you don't; no one is forcing you or anyone else to read or respond to my posts.

    My "system" is not ad hoc; I've used it for many years, most of them as an administrator in a very busy forum. Fwiw, the only people who have had a problem with it are those who disagree with my views and become discouraged at their inability to refute my arguments.

    I might otherwise be baffled by claims that it creates any confusion whatsoever; I figure it's just a very weak form of excuse-making. Otoh, I suppose it may be true that some people just aren't very clever, e.g., those who blame the recent near-collapse of the financial sector on the CRA.
    You know I have been on this earth 67 years and spent 35 years in the private sector, raised a family, sent two kids to college, and am the proud grandparent to 5 wonderful grandkids but after reading your posts I find myself so lacking in competing with the incredible knowledge that you have and experience in the world that I only hope that in my remaining years that I become just half as smart as you THINK you are

    First of all glad to see that you finally have been able to learn the quote system which makes it much easier to respond to your posts line by line as well as to learn the incredible intelligence and wisdom of what you believe. Interesting however that I have not seen any evidence or valid links to support your statements which then lead me to believe that all you post is your own personal opinion and we all should understand the validity and credibility of personal opinions.

    I find it absolutely shocking, I say, shocking that people like you ignore actual results and think only with your heart. You see results don't matter, history doesn't matter, only what you feel matters. You see if you just throw more money at the problem you certainly are going to solve the problem. Personal behavior doesn't matter in the liberal world for it is all textbook solutions to every problem. In the liberal world the 3.9 trillion dollar Federal govt. isn't big enough and the 50 states along with the local governments in those states even though they are closer to the people aren't responsible enough to solve their own problems so we need that massive central govt. with its bureaucrats to do it for us.

    I only wish that I had learned in my earlier years how to spend someone else's money, to pass off personal responsibilities, to never accept blame for any mistake or poor choice that I made. Life would have been so much better if I had learned those things and of course being dependent on the Federal Bureaucrats doesn't matter.

    Thanks for all the wisdom you spout in this forum. Where have you been my entire life?

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I only hope that in my remaining years that I become just half as smart as you THINK you are
    I hope you enjoyed yer passive-aggressive mini-rant.

    >>you finally have been able to learn the quote system

    I continue to post the same way. Are you continuing to have difficultly with it?

    >>I have not seen any evidence or valid links to support your statements

    Which statements do you feel I have not supported with adequate evidence?

    >>I find it absolutely shocking … that people like you ignore actual results

    Which actual results am I ignoring?

    >>only what you feel matters … blah, blah, government sucks, blah

    Same question. What is it in history that I'm not cognizant of? What personal behaviours am I not accounting for properly?

    >>I only wish that I had learned in my earlier years how to spend someone else's money, to pass off personal responsibilities, to never accept blame for any mistake or poor choice that I made.

    Whose money am I spending? What personal responsibilities am I shirking? What mistakes and poor choices have I made that I'm not accepting blame for?

    Or is it others yer concerned about? Maybe the way I've lived my life is (barely) acceptable to you, but I'm an enabler at yer expense. We need more people out of public housing and under bridges. More malnourished children. More people without health insurance. And if they don't have the cash, let 'em bleed out in the ER parking lot.

    >>Where have you been my entire life?

    Awaiting the twist of fate that would allow me to enlighten you before it's too late. The Lord calls on you, and I am His messenger. Heed my voice.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    I hope you enjoyed yer passive-aggressive mini-rant.

    >>you finally have been able to learn the quote system

    I continue to post the same way. Are you continuing to have difficultly with it?

    >>I have not seen any evidence or valid links to support your statements

    Which statements do you feel I have not supported with adequate evidence?

    >>I find it absolutely shocking … that people like you ignore actual results

    Which actual results am I ignoring?

    >>only what you feel matters … blah, blah, government sucks, blah

    Same question. What is it in history that I'm not cognizant of? What personal behaviours am I not accounting for properly?

    >>I only wish that I had learned in my earlier years how to spend someone else's money, to pass off personal responsibilities, to never accept blame for any mistake or poor choice that I made.

    Whose money am I spending? What personal responsibilities am I shirking? What mistakes and poor choices have I made that I'm not accepting blame for?

    Or is it others yer concerned about? Maybe the way I've lived my life is (barely) acceptable to you, but I'm an enabler at yer expense. We need more people out of public housing and under bridges. More malnourished children. More people without health insurance. And if they don't have the cash, let 'em bleed out in the ER parking lot.

    >>Where have you been my entire life?

    Awaiting the twist of fate that would allow me to enlighten you before it's too late. The Lord calls on you, and I am His messenger. Heed my voice.
    Post 1211 is right so rather than do it right all the time you resort to liberal tactics of only doing it right when you want to.

    Yep, that typical liberal rant, let's starve kids, kill seniors, pollute the air, force people to live under bridges, let them bleed in the ER parking lots. You really have no clue as to what you are talking about as none of that occurs when people take responsibility for their actions. ER rooms are required to provide services, charities like St. Vincent de Paul feed children, homeless shelters are available all over the nation, have you tried to get anyone to use them?

    You are unbelievable, naive, gullible, and very poorly informed


    Your answer is never about personal responsibility and accountability, just throw more money at the problem. We have a 17.4 trillion dollar debt and the problems have no been solved. Not once have I seen a direct answer from you, what is your solution to the problems since liberalism hasn't solved it.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Post 1211 is right so rather than do it right all the time you resort to liberal tactics of only doing it right when you want to.
    Wrong again. What a surprise.That post follows the pattern I always use. The first excerpt is in a linked text box. The second one is from the same person, but from a different post, hence it is in a box as well. The remaining excerpts are from different people … until … you get to the last one. I cite an excerpt from the same member (imagep) and the same post, and so no need, as I see it, to use another quote box. Readers know who said it and where it came from, in case they want the context. Liberalism — consistently correct. ☺

    >>typical liberal rant, let's starve kids, kill seniors, pollute the air, force people to live under bridges, let them bleed in the ER parking lots.

    Hey, I was just taking a guess at what you meant about forcing people to be responsible for themselves. I see now that you want hospital ERs to provide unpaid services, the cost of which gets passed on to everyone else, instead of helping people get insurance, which lowers costs for a variety of reasons. You want charities to provide food and shelter for those who need it. It may surprise you to know, although it shouldn't, that I would love to see all those needs met by private charities. Doesn't seem to happen.

    >>You really have no clue as to what you are talking about as none of that occurs when people take responsibility for their actions.

    I'm confused. None of what happens? Poverty? And what should we do when people fail to live up to their responsibilities?

    >>homeless shelters are available all over the nation, have you tried to get anyone to use them?

    I occasionally visit them in my work. They typically have waiting lists. That lousy Obama economy, don't ya know.

    >>You are unbelievable, naive, gullible, and very poorly informed

    In what sense?

    >>Your answer is never about personal responsibility and accountability, just throw more money at the problem.

    When did I say anything like that?

    >>Not once have I seen a direct answer from you

    An answer to what?

    >>what is your solution to the problems since liberalism hasn't solved it.

    Oh. An answer to that. My answer starts, I suppose, with private-public partnerships. People working together to solve problems. Basically the work I've been involved in for thirty-five years. Feels kinda lonely sometimes.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    Wrong again. What a surprise.That post follows the pattern I always use. The first excerpt is in a linked text box. The second one is from the same person, but from a different post, hence it is in a box as well. The remaining excerpts are from different people … until … you get to the last one. I cite an excerpt from the same member (imagep) and the same post, and so no need, as I see it, to use another quote box. Readers know who said it and where it came from, in case they want the context. Liberalism — consistently correct. ☺

    >>typical liberal rant, let's starve kids, kill seniors, pollute the air, force people to live under bridges, let them bleed in the ER parking lots.

    Hey, I was just taking a guess at what you meant about forcing people to be responsible for themselves. I see now that you want hospital ERs to provide unpaid services, the cost of which gets passed on to everyone else, instead of helping people get insurance, which lowers costs for a variety of reasons. You want charities to provide food and shelter for those who need it. It may surprise you to know, although it shouldn't, that I would love to see all those needs met by private charities. Doesn't seem to happen.

    >>You really have no clue as to what you are talking about as none of that occurs when people take responsibility for their actions.

    I'm confused. None of what happens? Poverty? And what should we do when people fail to live up to their responsibilities?

    >>homeless shelters are available all over the nation, have you tried to get anyone to use them?

    I occasionally visit them in my work. They typically have waiting lists. That lousy Obama economy, don't ya know.

    >>You are unbelievable, naive, gullible, and very poorly informed

    In what sense?

    >>Your answer is never about personal responsibility and accountability, just throw more money at the problem.

    When did I say anything like that?

    >>Not once have I seen a direct answer from you

    An answer to what?

    >>what is your solution to the problems since liberalism hasn't solved it.

    Oh. An answer to that. My answer starts, I suppose, with private-public partnerships. People working together to solve problems. Basically the work I've been involved in for thirty-five years. Feels kinda lonely sometimes.

    Bye, mmi, you aren't worth the effort. Learn how to respond to posts and put them in quotes and I will respond, until then your posts will be ignored. The solutions starts with leadership, something our Community Agitator President doesn't understand nor do his liberal supporters.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Bye, mmi, you aren't worth the effort. Learn how to respond to posts and put them in quotes and I will respond, until then your posts will be ignored. The solutions starts with leadership, something our Community Agitator President doesn't understand nor do his liberal supporters.
    Just more of the same excuse-making.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    And yours is the typical liberal response when you don't get your way. Fact, your post was difficult to read and impossible to respond to point by point but then typical liberalism takes over.Learn how to use this forum and I will be happy to engage you and make you look foolish by offering actual verifiable facts.

    If you cannot do that then I suggest you move to another country more in line with your ideology as liberalism is killing this country and its economy. Maybe that is what you want because this economy has survived centuries and generated a lot of personal wealth that you are jealous about.
    As I said, I don't think you have anything to use to make me look foolish, I'm not leaving the country, and I do not seek wealth.

    This time, yer discouraged because "effort" doesn't win a debate. Once again, a young child wouldn't have any problem following my posts and responding to them.

    By coincidence, I haven't used any angle brackets in this post. Does that make me again "worth the effort," and can I therefore anticipate responses to the questions I asked in my previous post?

    President Obama and his liberal base have displayed enough leadership to have brought a number of "solutions" to the country. You know the list by now:

    9.2 million private-sector jobs added in four-and-a-half years, a decline in deficits from 10% of GDP to 2.8%, a profit on TARP those are some of the highlights anyway.

    We haven't yet been able to lead toward achieving immigration reform and raising the minimum wage. Mr. Boehner's weak leadership and the continuing presence of fifty or so Tea Party types in the House are an obstacle we've not yer overcome. Doesn't look like much can be done on that in this cycle, but perhaps in 2016 we can construct an electoral drainpipe to remove a sufficient amount of that material.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    Just more of the same excuse-making.



    As I said, I don't think you have anything to use to make me look foolish, I'm not leaving the country, and I do not seek wealth.

    This time, yer discouraged because "effort" doesn't win a debate. Once again, a young child wouldn't have any problem following my posts and responding to them.

    By coincidence, I haven't used any angle brackets in this post. Does that make me again "worth the effort," and can I therefore anticipate responses to the questions I asked in my previous post?

    President Obama and his liberal base have displayed enough leadership to have brought a number of "solutions" to the country. You know the list by now:

    9.2 million private-sector jobs added in four-and-a-half years, a decline in deficits from 10% of GDP to 2.8%, a profit on TARP those are some of the highlights anyway.

    We haven't yet been able to lead toward achieving immigration reform and raising the minimum wage. Mr. Boehner's weak leadership and the continuing presence of fifty or so Tea Party types in the House are an obstacle we've not yer overcome. Doesn't look like much can be done on that in this cycle, but perhaps in 2016 we can construct an electoral drainpipe to remove a sufficient amount of that material.
    I just wanted to pop in mmi to let you know I haven't forgotten, and will be able to respond about the CRA if you still want tomorrow.

    On this post, I agree that Boehner has been at best a place holder of a speaker, but when you speak of these 4.5 million jobs, what is the criteria for counting them?

    I remember during the bailouts they were counting road construction jobs such as "flagger" that would last for one day, and that counted as a job for the month....is that what you mean?
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