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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Negative.

    I'm not asking you for clarification because past history of asking you for clarification has shown attempts at such to be unfruitful.

    And you have no idea what my point of view is, let alone whether it's a diversion or not...which doesn't make any sense anyway.
    . I'm just glade that it ain't just me. We had this same conversation yesterday.
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    . I'm just glade that it ain't just me. We had this same conversation yesterday.
    Yes, and, I provided links. Was learning more about the concept so you have a clue, even if not a Cause, too much work?

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    monthly jobs report. rage or rejoice.
    Not nearly enough. This country needs pro-employment and pro-economic growth policies to be implemented.

    That would include anti-immigration and isolationist trade policies.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Hey, you got me; I thought you were going to quibble about the term, simple poverty.
    You're right, I forgot "What?".

    Allow me to rectify that nigh-unforgivable lapse.

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    It should be self-evident that we should solve simple poverty instead of merely wage a War on Poverty for around a generation.
    What?

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    We already have the legal and physical infrastructure in place in our republic through unemployment compensation.
    What?

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    It must pertain to our republic.
    What?

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    Those persons for whom solving for a simple poverty of money, may be enough.
    What?

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    It could happen whenever our elected representative want to prove they are serious about Faith and faithfully executing our own laws.
    What?
    Education.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    You're right, I forgot "What?".

    Allow me to rectify that nigh-unforgivable lapse.

    What?

    What?

    What?

    What?

    What?
    Thank you for having nothing but diversion and that form of fallacy for your Cause; let me know when you want me to regard you seriously when diagnosing the Body politic. Any valid argumentation will do.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Thank you for having nothing but diversion and that form of fallacy for your Cause; let me know when you want me to regard you seriously when diagnosing the Body politic. Any valid argumentation will do.
    Allow me to put some detail in.

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Hey, you got me; I thought you were going to quibble about the term, simple poverty.
    You're right, I forgot "What?".

    Allow me to rectify that nigh-unforgivable lapse.

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    It should be self-evident that we should solve simple poverty instead of merely wage a War on Poverty for around a generation.
    What? "Should be" does not mean "is". Furthermore, that's only your opinion.
    Why should we solve simple poverty? In what way is our current "war on poverty" worse than your idea? What is the purpose of adding "for a generation" at the end of that sentence? It ads no useful information.

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    We already have the legal and physical infrastructure in place in our republic through unemployment compensation.
    What? Seriously...what? Of course we already have a legal and physical infrastructure in place - have to, in order to supply unemployment compensation. In what way does this existing infrastructure apply to your vague idea, and how do you expect it will need to be changed if your idea is implemented. Is it your idea?

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    It must pertain to our republic.
    What? WHAT must pertain to our republic? Why does whatever it is NEED to pertain to our republic? What do you think our republic is?

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    Those persons for whom solving for a simple poverty of money, may be enough.
    What? What persons? What is this solving for ****? Is this a math problem now? What is poverty of money? Why may solving for it be enough? What is enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    It could happen whenever our elected representative want to prove they are serious about Faith and faithfully executing our own laws.
    What? Why would they want to prove they are religious? Why would they want to faithfully execute our current laws? They'd make less money, and not get re-elected. We don't actually care about what laws they bypass, so long as they give us enough ****.

    Also, how is religion related to faithfully executing current law? In fact, isn't it counter in some ways?



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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    Hey, you got me; I thought you were going to quibble about the term, simple poverty.

    It should be self-evident that we should solve simple poverty instead of merely wage a War on Poverty for around a generation.

    We already have the legal and physical infrastructure in place in our republic through unemployment compensation.

    It must pertain to our republic.

    Those persons for whom solving for a simple poverty of money, may be enough.

    It could happen whenever our elected representative want to prove they are serious about Faith and faithfully executing our own laws.
    I appreciate that you are beginning to get just a little more descriptive, but I still wish that you would explain just a little more details. Which laws are we not executing? Are there some laws involving unemployment benefits that are not being properly distributed? Just go ahead and blurt it out.
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by danielpalos View Post
    What is so difficult about solving simple poverty through unemployment compensation that clears our poverty guidelines on an at-will basis? Any questions or do you only have fallacy for your Cause.
    Maybe I've deciphered this. It appears that you're saying that anyone who chooses not to work (at-will basis) should receive unemployment compensation that matches the poverty threshold. Which raises the question of how that could be paid for especially as fewer people would work as there would be no incentive for those earning near the poverty line to keep working: they'd be better off quitting and collecting unemployment.
    Therefore, since the world has still/Much good, but much less good than ill,
    And while the sun and moon endure/Luck's a chance, but trouble's sure,
    I'd face it as a wise man would,/And train for ill and not for good.

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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Maybe I've deciphered this. It appears that you're saying that anyone who chooses not to work (at-will basis) should receive unemployment compensation that matches the poverty threshold. Which raises the question of how that could be paid for especially as fewer people would work as there would be no incentive for those earning near the poverty line to keep working: they'd be better off quitting and collecting unemployment.
    I suspect that is the idea also.

    Assumably, if unemployment rises, and if the unemployment benefit is large enough, people drawing unemployment will still continue to be able to spend (creating demand), and thus companies will start hiring to meet that demand.

    Of course you are correct that if we paid that much in unemployment benefits, who the heck would want to work when they could draw just as much on unemployment? It's a moral hazard issue.

    My position is that demand would be just as high if we required those unemployed people to work (even if it was in government jobs building and repairing infrastructure or other jobs that create value for society) for their money, without creating the moral hazard.
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    Re: Economy adds 192,000 jobs; unemployment rate holds steady at 6.7%

    What? "Should be" does not mean "is". Furthermore, that's only your opinion.
    Why should we solve simple poverty? In what way is our current "war on poverty" worse than your idea? What is the purpose of adding "for a generation" at the end of that sentence? It ads no useful information.
    Yes, it currently is not, that simple, but, it should be unless you like big government; which hasn't been your position in the past. Has that changed and are you now for big government, as usual.

    Our current War on Poverty has been prosecuted for around a generation without actually solving for any poverty; and yes, adding for around a generation gives some indication of the time value of money under any form of Capitalism. Do you not have any understanding of Capitalism or the time value of money, either.

    It should be a self-evident truth that actually solving simple poverty should be a better solution to that social dilemma, simply because full employment of resources in any given market must better provide for the general welfare than any market failures or inefficiencies in those same markets.

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