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    Re: U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The United States is too valuable to China so that would never happen - not to mention China and Russia aren't exactly "buddies" either.
    If the "that" you are referring to is a military conflict between the US and China, it could happen if a country like Japan, who we are bound by treaty to defend, got into a military conflict with China over disputed territory.

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    If Russia was to attack the US China would beat Russia into snot bubbles..
    Russia is not going to attack the US over disputed Chinese territory. So you is not, gonna see no snot!

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    Russia is **** to China and China understands that Russia is being an aggressor at this point in time.
    Not so! China gets the jet engines for it's most advanced jet fighters from Russia.

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    Obama is an epic idiot - If I was in his shoes I would tell China to deal with their little lap dog.
    Well it's a good thing you are not in his shoes because that would far exceed all the idiocy of Obama and every other stupid thing that has ever been done.

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    And if worst came to worst I would tell Putin that I would destroy his resources if he did not stop the aggression.
    And if I were Putin and I heard those words coming from the President of the United States, I would know that I was talking to a smoke blowing buffoon.

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    Re: U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    My point is that Ukraine is only a part of marginal US interests. It is more of a direct interest of the EU Therefore we should have let the Europeans figure out how they wanted to respond to Yanukovych's rejection of the EU association agreement. Instead we got involved in the protests, and directly threatened Yanukovych and other financial and political interests in Ukraine that set the stage for the collapse of the government. It was an extremely bad strategic move because for the sake of a minor, marginal interest, we increased the instability of the Ukraine and set back relations with Russia, a major world power, with whom our relations are a strong interest. The Russian annexation of Crimea should have been an anticipated response to the collapse of the Ukrainian government, and therefore was simply not worth the risk.
    My understanding was that the US did let the EU act as they wanted, did not pressure them and only followed their lead, when the damage they were causing American interests were not excessive.

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    Re: U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia

    The minute China invokes Crimea to annex some islands is the minute we should begin invoking Crimea and call for Tibetans to hold a referendum on independence.

    edit: By "we" I mean our surrogates. Who we have plenty of.

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    The US should work with Europe to restart the Missile Defense Shield in Poland....
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    Re: U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    My understanding was that the US did let the EU act as they wanted, did not pressure them and only followed their lead, when the damage they were causing American interests were not excessive.
    What happened is that the government of Ukraine, under Yanukovych, was offered an association agreement with the EU. Actually it's a long story and had been years in the making. Back in November of last year, they were right at the point where the agreement was to be signed with the EU. But, Yanukovych backed out at the last minute, essentially scuttling years of work. At that point, the Secretary of the United States, Victoria Nuland started to exert very strong pressure on Yanukovych, She went to Ukraine to meet with Yanukovych. Right before the meeting she went out and passed out food to the people who were protesting against Yanukovych. Then she went to the meeting and directly threatened Yanukovych. Next she went to a very powerful oligarch in the Ukraine by the name of Akmetov, and threatened to expose his business dealings if he didn't exert pressure on Yanukovych. All of these things help to cause the collapse of the government of Yanukovych and he had to flee the Ukraine. My point is that as Ukraine is only a marginal US interest, there was no need to for us to exert such strong pressure and cause the government to collapse which resulted in the annexation of Crimea by Russia.

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    Re: U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    What happened is that the government of Ukraine, under Yanukovych, was offered an association agreement with the EU. Actually it's a long story and had been years in the making. Back in November of last year, they were right at the point where the agreement was to be signed with the EU. But, Yanukovych backed out at the last minute, essentially scuttling years of work. At that point, the Secretary of the United States, Victoria Nuland started to exert very strong pressure on Yanukovych, She went to Ukraine to meet with Yanukovych. Right before the meeting she went out and passed out food to the people who were protesting against Yanukovych. Then she went to the meeting and directly threatened Yanukovych. Next she went to a very powerful oligarch in the Ukraine by the name of Akmetov, and threatened to expose his business dealings if he didn't exert pressure on Yanukovych. All of these things help to cause the collapse of the government of Yanukovych and he had to flee the Ukraine. My point is that as Ukraine is only a marginal US interest, there was no need to for us to exert such strong pressure and cause the government to collapse which resulted in the annexation of Crimea by Russia.
    I followed all that back to the debate abour joining Nato and later the beginnings of the negotiations for an association agreement. What you left out is the fact that it was obvious that the Russians would react to the pressure on Ukraine to enter the treaty. They would not have done so with the threat of today, had the EU acted quickly after unification. But now the provocation was obviously a very risky affair and that the EU was playing a game way outside its depths. The Federation call the bluff the EU admitted it didn't see.

    Why should the USA accept their responsibility for the mess?

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    Re: U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Here's another reason why it was a bad idea to have been over aggressive in the UKraine with regards to Yanukovych rejecting the EU deal. That's something we should have left for the Europeans to do. It appears that we have opened a can of worms. Do we really want to go to war with China too over some small islands that the Japanese claim? It's time for a serious rethink of our foreign policy.
    Does the US have a foreign policy? If so, what is it?

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    Re: U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I followed all that back to the debate abour joining Nato and later the beginnings of the negotiations for an association agreement. What you left out is the fact that it was obvious that the Russians would react to the pressure on Ukraine to enter the treaty. They would not have done so with the threat of today, had the EU acted quickly after unification. But now the provocation was obviously a very risky affair and that the EU was playing a game way outside its depths. The Federation call the bluff the EU admitted it didn't see.

    Why should the USA accept their responsibility for the mess?
    I followed most of what you had to say and I would like to respond. But before I do, could you please clarify what you mean by

    They would not have done so with the threat of today, had the EU acted quickly after unification.

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    Re: U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Does the US have a foreign policy? If so, what is it?
    That's a good question. Perhaps you could ask your good friend the president!!!!

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    Re: U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia

    U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia
    Not another red line?
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    Re: U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    That's a good question. Perhaps you could ask your good friend the president!!!!
    Why do you say he is my good friend? You are not American, it seems.

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