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    Re: U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia

    Where some see potential impotence with regard to China and Russia, I see (As a conservative free capitalist) an opportunity. It's actually what this country desperately needs. Unlike China and unlike Russia, the US, Canada, and Mexico together are self sustaining economies. Yes, the initial hit would be hard and if not managed properly by our Federal government could be disastrous, BUT, if handled correctly it would provide the biggest boon to all three nations that neither has ever experienced before, not even the boon after WWII. We don't need to actually have a military engagement, instead if worked properly, we could politically unite all of us, and also create a massive economic monster. Right now we share in the wealth and industry that we mostly invented and created, but we don't have too, and we shouldn't be, IMO. Think of zero unemployment for all three North American nations, and median income rising to levels not heard of. All because of a few tiny islands and a peninsula.

    Of course, Obama is too short sighted to see this, and American's that get their viewpoints from the likes of the Krugmans's of the world, and the liberal wing of the democratic party would never understand what we could become if we really stopped doing business with Russia and China, but the theory is logical, and ideally correct. It's what we should be doing anyway as our economy is sinking and bleeding, and unless we provide a stable growth based economy for our own interests, we will eventually find ourselves here anyway. It's inevitable, so why not start the process now. We can still trade with other nations, and I think a few of those South American countries would welcome participation, not to mention the virtually untapped African continent.

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    Re: U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Yeah, that would be interesting. Just think what would happen if China banned all US exports, froze all US assets in China, and Russia and China both started selling all the US treasuries that they could. That would be beyond ugly for both sides.
    Who would buy them?
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    Re: U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Where some see potential impotence with regard to China and Russia, I see (As a conservative free capitalist) an opportunity. It's actually what this country desperately needs. Unlike China and unlike Russia, the US, Canada, and Mexico together are self sustaining economies. Yes, the initial hit would be hard and if not managed properly by our Federal government could be disastrous, BUT, if handled correctly it would provide the biggest boon to all three nations that neither has ever experienced before, not even the boon after WWII. We don't need to actually have a military engagement, instead if worked properly, we could politically unite all of us, and also create a massive economic monster. Right now we share in the wealth and industry that we mostly invented and created, but we don't have too, and we shouldn't be, IMO. Think of zero unemployment for all three North American nations, and median income rising to levels not heard of. All because of a few tiny islands and a peninsula.

    Of course, Obama is too short sighted to see this, and American's that get their viewpoints from the likes of the Krugmans's of the world, and the liberal wing of the democratic party would never understand what we could become if we really stopped doing business with Russia and China, but the theory is logical, and ideally correct. It's what we should be doing anyway as our economy is sinking and bleeding, and unless we provide a stable growth based economy for our own interests, we will eventually find ourselves here anyway. It's inevitable, so why not start the process now. We can still trade with other nations, and I think a few of those South American countries would welcome participation, not to mention the virtually untapped African continent.

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    Re: U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    While I agree China and Russia are both dangerous, let us not forget that their economies are both rather feeble behind the curtain. If all else failed, denying Russia the ability to sell its oil and gas would strangle it. China is not really interested in global domination, it is concerned more about shoring up it's surroundings to insulate itself from outsiders.

    Globalization has brought with it cheap goods and economic interdependence and these things make us all vulnerable. It has proven to be the achilles heel of the US in foreign policy. US companies sought to maximize profits through cheap labor and production costs by going to China, and in the end succeeded in making the US economy weak enough that we now cannot effectively act as the world's lone superpower.
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    Re: U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia

    U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia
    can we just build some roads and cut this other **** out?

    i mean, seriously. the roads are in horrible shape here. yeah, it sucks for Japan that China is being an asshole, but we don't have enough money to get into a bar fight with them. ****, we'd probably have to borrow the money from them to do it in the first place.

    energy.
    jobs.
    infrastructure.

    one more time, for the NSA :

    energy.
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    infrastructure.


    seriously.

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    Re: U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia

    U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia
    Yeah? Or else what?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
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    Re: U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by 24107 View Post
    Your right, China also has a very powerful military. They and Russia received a lot of U.S. military secrets they obtained from the spy Jonathon Pollard, who stole enough secrets to fill a walk in closet.
    I suspect you meant Edward Snowden, not Jonathan Pollard. Pollard gave classified information to Israel. Snowden very likely provided the information he took from the NSA to China and Russia.

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    Re: U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Don't blame US companies.
    Presidents from Nixon to Clinton thought that by opening up China to the global market, American goods would flood into China and our economy would prosper. What was exported was jobs and operations due to low worker wages and no environmental protections. Now China is so polluted people cannot even walk the streets and breath the air safely, and our economy has been weak ever since the jobs fled.

    On top of that, all these companies had to provide technical transfers in order to gain access to producing goods in China. So now China has been provided with how to produce GE Jet engines, so yes companies rightly deserve some blame.

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    Re: U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Who would buy them?
    They would be consumed until the market was saturated, driving the value down and interests rates up. But you have a point in that China has trillions.

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    Re: U.S. warns China not to attempt Crimea-style action in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    While I agree China and Russia are both dangerous, let us not forget that their economies are both rather feeble behind the curtain. If all else failed, denying Russia the ability to sell its oil and gas would strangle it. China is not really interested in global domination, it is concerned more about shoring up it's surroundings to insulate itself from outsiders.

    Globalization has brought with it cheap goods and economic interdependence and these things make us all vulnerable. It has proven to be the achilles heel of the US in foreign policy. US companies sought to maximize profits through cheap labor and production costs by going to China, and in the end succeeded in making the US economy weak enough that we now cannot effectively act as the world's lone superpower.
    Although China is not interested in world domination, if they felt that the US was pressing it, backed by the threat of military power, to give up it's current disputed territorial claims, they could be come to the conclusion that it would be a good move to cooperate more closely with Russia in terms of developing military technology and closer military operations. Although China has advanced military capabilities, they are still behind in some crucial areas. It is my understanding that because they have had problems conquering some of the technical difficulties with the jet engines for their most advanced fighters, they have to get the engines from the Russians. If both countries felt they needed to form a stronger counterweight to US global hegemony, China could start to use their enormous hoard of cash to do things like purchase a substantial increase in the amount of engines from Russia, giving Russia that cash it needs. They might also start to work on joint advanced weapons systems together.

    You have a good point on the effects that globalization has had on US power on the global stage.

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