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Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

TheNextEra said:
Don't ask don't tell was a compromise to the anti-gay right so gay people can serve. Before that gay people couldn't serve without lying. I'd say Clinton did more for gays than any CON or the right did previously.
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Interestingly, opposition to allowing openly gay service was led by Dem Senator Sam Nunn. Barry Goldwater favored allowing openly gay service. Clinton compromised on DADT to keep peace among Dems.

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Jack Hays said:
Interestingly, opposition to allowing openly gay service was led by Dem Senator Sam Nunn. Barry Goldwater favored allowing openly gay service. Clinton compromised on DADT to keep peace among Dems.

Don't ask, don't tell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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So are you trying to claim the majority of Republicans were FOR gays serving openly in the military?

BTW I didn't claim that ALL Dems were for it, I claimed it was a compromise for the majority of Republicans that WERE against gays serving.
 
TheNextEra said:
So are you trying to claim the majority of Republicans were FOR gays serving openly in the military?

BTW I didn't claim that ALL Dems were for it, I claimed it was a compromise for the majority of Republicans that WERE agaisnt gays serving.
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Clinton didn't need the Repubs but he needed Nunn and conservative Dems. In addition to Goldwater, Colin Powell favored DADT.:peace
 
TheNextEra said:
Don't ask don't tell was a compromise to the anti-gay right so gay people can serve. Before that gay people couldn't serve without lying. I'd say Clinton did more for gays than any CON or the right did previously.
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It should also be noted, DADT, for all its flaws, was a pretty monumental step forward at the time. Open service was never, ever going to get approved in the 1990s -- hell, we had pretty prominent voices speaking against it in 2011 when it was done away with. The U.S. has really evolved by leaps and bounds in the last two decades on the subject of gay rights.

Grant said:
And yet the evidence says it was the Democrats who crafted 'Don't Ask - Don't Tell' and the Defense of Marriage Act. Obama always claimed to be against Gay Marriage.
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DOMA was introduced on the House floor by Bob Barr, a Republican. However, it passed pretty overwhelmingly.
 
Grant said:
Do you not feel a twinge of embarrassment trying to cover for him when his position was made perfectly clear? It is the same with Obama.

Why not just accept the truth and deal with is rather than feel the need to defend 'your side', even at the cost of your own integrity?
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You said democrats drafted DADT and DOMA. Not true. GOPers drafted and pushed both. Are you ashamed the GOP sponsored DOMA and instead of DADT wanted a complete ban on service? You should be proud no?

And Obama has done more for gays than any POTUS in history and it's not close. Remember him calling off his lawyers from defending DOMA, and it being struck down. The EO granting federal benefits to SSM? The end of DADT pushed hard by the WH? Not sure why you are bringing him up. His record speaks for itself.
 
JasperL said:
You said democrats drafted DADT and DOMA. Not true. GOPers drafted and pushed both. Are you ashamed the GOP sponsored DOMA and instead of DADT wanted a complete ban on service? You should be proud no?

And Obama has done more for gays than any POTUS in history and it's not close. Remember him calling off his lawyers from defending DOMA, and it being struck down. The EO granting federal benefits to SSM? The end of DADT pushed hard by the WH? Not sure why you are bringing him up. His record speaks for itself.
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But Obama said once in 2008 that he was against gay marriage; ergo, Worst President Ever.
 
JasperL said:
You said democrats drafted DADT and DOMA. Not true. GOPers drafted and pushed both. Are you ashamed the GOP sponsored DOMA and instead of DADT wanted a complete ban on service? You should be proud no?

And Obama has done more for gays than any POTUS in history and it's not close. Remember him calling off his lawyers from defending DOMA, and it being struck down. The EO granting federal benefits to SSM? The end of DADT pushed hard by the WH? Not sure why you are bringing him up. His record speaks for itself.
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This is your 'evolving' President.Timeline of Obama’s ‘Evolving’ on Same-Sex Marriage - ABC News
 
TheNextEra said:
So are you trying to claim the majority of Republicans were FOR gays serving openly in the military?

BTW I didn't claim that ALL Dems were for it, I claimed it was a compromise for the majority of Republicans that WERE against gays serving.
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The problem is the left's destruction of diversity.:peace

Diversity and Dishonesty - Ross Douthat, New York Times
 
176 pages and ZERO solutions to free speech

does anybody have an answer on how to fix free speech since SOME speech seems to bother them?
 
AGENT J said:
176 pages and ZERO solutions to free speech

does anybody have an answer on how to fix free speech since SOME speech seems to bother them?
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Dumb question.

Apart from the obvious exceptions like yelling fire in a crowded theater (and more modern versions of same), anyone who argues for blocking some speech is against free speech, whether they realize it or not.

Of course, there's the question of "what speech is protected", but that's more of a legal question and up to the courts.

Actually though, this thread isn't even about that, is it? Why are we talking about this topic?
 
The Mark said:
Dumb question.

Apart from the obvious exceptions like yelling fire in a crowded theater (and more modern versions of same), anyone who argues for blocking some speech is against free speech, whether they realize it or not.

Of course, there's the question of "what speech is protected", but that's more of a legal question and up to the courts.

Actually though, this thread isn't even about that, is it? Why are we talking about this topic?
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its not a dumb question at all, because it hilights the a few of the dumb and factual false opinions in this thread and that was the point.

You post sums it up pretty perfectly.

SOME people were crying in this thread about the people they didnt like having free speech but had no problem with others having it.
So my question is to them how do they think it should be fixed? the point is it cant be fixed how they want it to be. They have ZERO answers cause there isnt one.

Just like you said free speech applies to us all not just to those they want it too and that how it works so their water works is all for not and very funny and hypocritical.

also this thread is 100% about free speech, all you have to do is read it ;)
 
AGENT J said:
its not a dumb question at all, because it hilights the a few of the dumb and factual false opinions in this thread and that was the point.

You post sums it up pretty perfectly.

SOME people were crying in this thread about the people they didnt like having free speech but had no problem with others having it.
So my question is to them how do they think it should be fixed? the point is it cant be fixed how they want it to be. They have ZERO answers cause there isnt one.

Just like you said free speech applies to us all not just to those they want it too and that how it works so their water works is all for not and very funny and hypocritical.

also this thread is 100% about free speech, all you have to do is read it ;)
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Whatever.
 
AGENT J said:
its not a dumb question at all, because it hilights the a few of the dumb and factual false opinions in this thread and that was the point.

You post sums it up pretty perfectly.

SOME people were crying in this thread about the people they didnt like having free speech but had no problem with others having it.
So my question is to them how do they think it should be fixed? the point is it cant be fixed how they want it to be. They have ZERO answers cause there isnt one.

Just like you said free speech applies to us all not just to those they want it too and that how it works so their water works is all for not and very funny and hypocritical.

also this thread is 100% about free speech, all you have to do is read it ;)
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This post is a compendium of falsehoods, capping off a string of falsehoods. Everyone here believes in free speech for all.:peace
 
Besides, it's only 45 pages.
 
Jack Hays said:
This post is a compendium of falsehoods, capping off a string of falsehoods. Everyone here believes in free speech for all.:peace
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100% false but please continue to post that dishonesty if you like.
SOme here posted the employees and the customers had NO RIGHT to voice their opinions and even said what they did was not free speech. Those were their exact words.

Your statement is factually wrong, your mistake.

If you disagree simply prove otherwise.
 
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The Mark said:
Besides, it's only 45 pages.
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ahhh that would depend on what you have your options set at.

we'll do to a easier way.
1,768+ posts and those few that dont like free speech still have no solution on how to fix it :)
 
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AGENT J said:
ahhh that would depend on what you have your options set at.

we'll do to a easier way.
1,768+ post and the view that dont like free speech still have no solution on how to fix it :)
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I don't like that line

You use it too much

It irritates me.
 
The Mark said:
I don't like that line

You use it too much

It irritates me.
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what line?
and you shouldn't get irritated over a message board. Thats not healthy. I personally find that impossible
 
AGENT J said:
what line?
and you shouldn't get irritated over a message board. Thats not healthy. I personally find that impossible
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"X number of posts and still no proof <insert argument> is wrong".

Comes across as "AHAH, mother****ers, you're all still stupid and I am so AWESOME".

Maybe I'm just irritable today.
 
The Mark said:
"X number of posts and still no proof <insert argument> is wrong".

Comes across as "AHAH, mother****ers, you're all still stupid and I am so AWESOME".

Maybe I'm just irritable today.
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HAHAHAHA! thats funny

I picture a guy and voice like Samual L jackson when i read that " "AHAH, mother****ers, you're all still stupid and I am so AWESOME".

anyway really?
wouldnt the question just apply to those maybe 3-4 posters that cried and made dishonest and hypocritical posts about others practicing their free speech?
also how would that make "ME" awesome? WHat did "I" do? I certainly didnt invent or grant free speech? I can take no credit for them being factually wrong and them not liking free speech. :shrug:

Cant say its factually you but you are certainly inventing things in your head that arent there ;)
 
AGENT J said:
HAHAHAHA! thats funny

I picture a guy and voice like Samual L jackson when i read that " "AHAH, mother****ers, you're all still stupid and I am so AWESOME".

anyway really?
wouldnt the question just apply to those maybe 3-4 posters that cried and made dishonest and hypocritical posts about others practicing their free speech?
also how would that make "ME" awesome? WHat did "I" do? I certainly didnt invent or grant free speech? I can take no credit for them being factually wrong and them not liking free speech. :shrug:

Cant say its factually you but you are certainly inventing things in your head that arent there ;)
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I wasn't going for exactness, just a general impression.

In short, it causes me think your'e a bit of an asshole.

/shrug
 
The Mark said:
I wasn't going for exactness, just a general impression.

In short, it causes me think your'e a bit of an asshole.

/shrug
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You are free to do so but since you invented the whole thing its pretty meaningless
But I do agree with you 100%, that voice you made up in your head does sound like an asshole!
The crazy assumptions you came up with that were nothing like my post in any context or even verbiage what so ever seemed very pompous and ignorant.

IM glad i didnt actually write any of that retarded **** you posted and it was just made up in your head :)

feel free to answer any of those questions by the way.
Id like to know how you thought my post addressed everybody and called them MFers when only 3-5 people were crying about the speech they didnt like. And also what about that fact led you to the conclusion that it made me awesome lol

You could be a great fantasy writer
 
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