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Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

They always have had that same right.

Boycotts are pretty much the only exercise in free speech that the common person has that can have any measurable effect. If people want to boycott gay-friendly businesses, have at it. We'll see how that goes.

I'll speak for myself. I don't want to boycott, I want to see people like you fired for expressing your opinion on this issue. I too want to see some scalps, some personal wreckage in the lives of liberals.
 
People are free to boycott. I think it's stupid, but I respect peoples rights to do it. I boycott Progressive but not because of their politics - I'm sick of that freaking Flo woman! Argh!

I boycott Progressive insurance too, because it's lousy insurance. And yes, those commercials are terrible.

I'm glad you support the idea of a Christian company forcing out someone who donated to pro-gay causes. Because that's going to happen, and I'll remind you.;)

1. I never said I supported the idea of a Christian company doing that, just like I don't support Mozilla taking the actions they did -- it was overly knee-jerk and probably a dumb idea. I support the right to do so, however, as long as it doesn't violate employment law.

2. If "Christian companies" want to come off as petty and vindictive as Mozilla's employees have, hey, knock yourselves out.
 
That would be too legitimate. It has to be because of your personal opinions. Your boss found out you voted for a Democrat or you support homosexual marriage and boom, that's why you're fired. Nothing to do with your speech or actions in regard to your employer.

I actually look forward to the first time that happens. The Liberals will be on here howling like scorched cats.
 
I still think they don't get the irony of their own words. "You're intolerant and a bigot because you don't see it my way", that's what I keep reading. That's I guess a more progressive way of saying "When I want your opinion I'll give it to you"

I think being against gay marriage is bigoted because it is supporting exclusionary policy.
 
I have zero desire to speak out against other people's rights. None of my business, but you bet your bottom dollar if I started speaking out against any group of people, I'd lose my job.

Did not Eich have the right to privacy? Did he not have the right to support a reasonably prevalent political position at the time? So now, 6 years later, after the situation has changed, his rights are now bridged in some way? Shouldn't you be speaking out in favor of his rights?

Or is it that he is one of the 'group of people' that it's OK to abridge their rights?

Its kinda gotta count the same for everyone in order to mean anything to anyone. Yes, there is a cultural shift underway, and everyone is kinda groping around coming to grips with it, but it's already here pretty much. What's the sense in punishing someone for politically incorrect positions of years and situations past at this date after the battle has already been won? I just don't see it?
 
That would be too legitimate. It has to be because of your personal opinions. Your boss found out you voted for a Democrat or you support homosexual marriage and boom, that's why you're fired. Nothing to do with your speech or actions in regard to your employer.

Um, you specifically said loudmouth. I took that as meaning the latter. Now if I sold a product and my consumers were not happy with my political ways, they have a right to stop buying my products.
 
That would be too legitimate. It has to be because of your personal opinions. Your boss found out you voted for a Democrat or you support homosexual marriage and boom, that's why you're fired. Nothing to do with your speech or actions in regard to your employer.

Eich wasn't fired.
 
Um, you specifically said loudmouth. I took that as meaning the latter. Now if I sold a product and my consumers were not happy with my political ways, they have a right to stop buying my products.

Precisely. And enough people (apparently) told Mozilla they'd stop using Firefox that Mozilla divested itself of a potential liability, for better or worse.
 
Did not Eich have the right to privacy? Did he not have the right to support a reasonably prevalent political position at the time? So now, 6 years later, after the situation has changed, his rights are now bridged in some way? Shouldn't you be speaking out in favor of his rights?

Or is it that he is one of the 'group of people' that it's OK to abridge their rights?

Its kinda gotta count the same for everyone in order to mean anything to anyone. Yes, there is a cultural shift underway, and everyone is kinda groping around coming to grips with it, but it's already here pretty much. What's the sense in punishing someone for politically incorrect positions of years and situations past at this date after the battle has already been won? I just don't see it?

I never said he doesn't have a right to try and outlaw gay marriage. I simply said there are consequences.
 
I boycott Progressive insurance too, because it's lousy insurance. And yes, those commercials are terrible.



1. I never said I supported the idea of a Christian company doing that, just like I don't support Mozilla taking the actions they did -- it was overly knee-jerk and probably a dumb idea. I support the right to do so, however, as long as it doesn't violate employment law.

2. If "Christian companies" want to come off as petty and vindictive as Mozilla's employees have, hey, knock yourselves out.

Woah, slow down there. I'm not a Christian and I don't have a company.

I want the Geico pig to eat the Progressive lady.

But you will support Hobby Lobby if they terminate someone because she donated to a cause that opposed Prop 8, I hope.
 
I still think they don't get the irony of their own words. "You're intolerant and a bigot because you don't see it my way", that's what I keep reading. That's I guess a more progressive way of saying "When I want your opinion I'll give it to you"

That is the progressive creed...

It's highly ironic - their position defeats what they allegedly stand for.

Also, many progressives aren't progressive - they're just anti-opposition party. However the smart ones that do have a plan are basically totalitarian 1984ish psychopaths whom are hungry for power and don't give a **** about US citizens, just as long as their redistribution ideas keep them in an elite and lucrative position.
 
Precisely. And enough people (apparently) told Mozilla they'd stop using Firefox that Mozilla divested itself of a potential liability, for better or worse.

Exactly, and for that we are suppose to be upset.
 
Woah, slow down there. I'm not a Christian and I don't have a company.

I want the Geico pig to eat the Progressive lady.

But you will support Hobby Lobby if they terminate someone because she donated to a cause that opposed Prop 8, I hope.

You're moving the goalposts. Eich wasn't fired, very likely because outright firing him would violate some sort of employment law.
 
Eich exercised his right to free speech by donating money to a political cause. Do not the employees of Mozilla and their supporters have the same right to free speech, utilized by putting pressure on the company?

The employees of Mozilla who placed pressure o the company are not engaging in free speech. They are trying to shut speech down.
 
Here's a news flash, I don't care about his religion one way or another. If he wants to outlaw gay marriage so be it. Please just don't cry when people speak out against you taking their right away. Furthermore, if they stop buying your product don't cry victim.

It's just a sad state of affairs when people are so frightened to actually stand for something and speak their mind. The left (and much of the right) today is a bunch of mind numbed robots. Afraid to take any position, afraid to actually care about anything until they check which way the political winds are blowing.

They need to check and see what would be the acceptable stance for them to take, the one that would gain approval, not the true stance that they actually might care about. I guarantee that most of the politicians today don't give a rat's ass about gay marriage and would switch their stance tomorrow if they felt it would give them a better chance at reelection. Hell, Obama did it.
 
I think being against gay marriage is bigoted because it is supporting exclusionary policy.

And I think people should be allowed to donate to political causes without having to answer for it. That's all he was guilty of.

What was accomplished here anyway? I still don't get it. What did the Mozilla employees want anyway?
 
It's just a sad state of affairs when people are so frightened to actually stand for something and speak their mind. The left (and much of the right) today is a bunch of mind numbed robots. Afraid to take any position, afraid to actually care about anything until they check which way the political winds are blowing.

They need to check and see what would be the acceptable stance for them to take, the one that would gain approval, not the true stance that they actually might care about. I guarantee that most of the politicians today don't give a rat's ass about gay marriage and would switch their stance tomorrow if they felt it would give them a better chance at reelection. Hell, Obama did it.

Obama "evolved".
 
By donating, he put his beliefs in the public square.

I'd disagree. From what I understand the donations were made in private. Someone inside of Mozilla, if that's where the information came from, has an axe to grind against this guy, and struck right at his greatest weakness, and probably instigated similarly minded Mozilla people into action.

"All of the Liberals" are attacking Hobby Lobby? That's funny, I'm a liberal and I haven't said a word about Hobby Lobby until this thread (and I didn't bring it up). Do we seriously not see the difference between two unrelated cases?

The Mozilla case is about a company divesting itself from what it sees as a potential liability due to the (overzealous) backlash his employment caused.

On this I agree with you.

The Hobby Lobby case is about a company attempting to get out of covering medical services in its insurance policies.


I said earlier that I think this is overreach by the Anti-Eich Brigade.

Yup.
 
I'll speak for myself. I don't want to boycott, I want to see people like you fired for expressing your opinion on this issue. I too want to see some scalps, some personal wreckage in the lives of liberals.

1. I defy you to find me any time in this thread I've celebrated Eich's "scalp" or actually supported Mozilla's decision.

2. Eich wasn't fired.
 
I can't wait. But right now they're too wrapped up in the world where everyone who doesn't agree with them is a bigot.

Tell the truth and that will shut them up really fast.... When you do that they go into "bonkers mode" and will accuse you of racism and will insist you're funded by the Koch brothers...

When you're right they will throw **** at the wall and will run with anything that sticks or jibes in their mind.
 
I boycott Progressive insurance too, because it's lousy insurance. And yes, those commercials are terrible.



1. I never said I supported the idea of a Christian company doing that, just like I don't support Mozilla taking the actions they did -- it was overly knee-jerk and probably a dumb idea. I support the right to do so, however, as long as it doesn't violate employment law.

2. If "Christian companies" want to come off as petty and vindictive as Mozilla's employees have, hey, knock yourselves out.

Why hide behind employment law? What makes expressing a political or theological or legal idea something worthy of targeting but not worthy of protection under employment law? Why not have an even playing field for everyone?
 
By donating, he put his beliefs in the public square.

No. The donation to NOM was secret. Only the IRS knew.

So how was it discovered?
 
You're moving the goalposts. Eich wasn't fired, very likely because outright firing him would violate some sort of employment law.

I didn't say Eich was fired, Kobie.

Terminating him wouldn't be illegal. You can terminate people. Happens every day.

But okay, in the Hobby Lobby example - how about if they pressure an employee to resign because of political contributions from 6 years ago to Prop 8 opposition causes. You support it, no question, right?
 
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