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Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

Anthony60 said:
Oh, and let me throw this out there. I have Mozilla on one computer. The next time I use that computer, I will unistall Mozilla (FireFox). I don't like the way they are intolerant to people's beliefs, and I hope others that support people not being attacked in such a manner will do so also.
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What do you have against Mozilla's right to free speech?
 
Cardinal said:
Truly, your struggle is exactly what Martin Luther King had in mind when he made his "I Have a Dream speech," and were he alive today would shed a tear in joy.
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Sarcasm noted..


Tim-
 
Cardinal said:
What do you have against Mozilla's right to free speech?
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Oh I dunno, but maybe it was the act of Mozilla not respecting another man's personal free association and speech. Nice try though, I give you a C for effort.


Tim-
 
radcen said:
A common theme seems to be that if he had never done the action of donating he'd still be CEO, and that's ok. In other words: If he had kept his views to himself, and not had the audacity to expose or support his own views, we'd let him stay.

Oh, isn't that ever so tolerant. :roll:
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I noticed that too. Isn't it ironic?
 
Hicup said:
Oh I dunno, but maybe it was the act of Mozilla not respecting another man's personal free association and speech. Nice try though, I give you a C for effort.


Tim-
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So conservatives want to punish Mozilla for their views. Noted.
 
Cardinal said:
Are you sure? Cause I could amp it up a little if you need me to.
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Pretty sure, but please do.. "amp it up", I thought I'd already seen your best, but I could be wrong. Are you absolutely sure you want to though?

Tim-
 
Cardinal said:
So conservatives want to punish Mozilla for their views. Noted.
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Yes, BUT ONLY because Mozilla is punishing a man for his. If they had not, we would not. I think you get it, but if you have another way of putting it that is actually clever I'd love to read it. :)


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
And this is exactly what a few of us are saying here. I have a dream.. I have a dream that one day conservatives, and right-libertarians unite under a single banner and start to fight back with the same tactics the left uses on us. I have a dream that one day we wake up and realize that we far outnumber the vocal and well funded left, and we begin using that advantage to our own best interests. I have a dream that corporations, and businesses realize that their customer base is essentially made up of people that work for a living, pay taxes and contribute to society, and that of those we are the super majority. I have a dream that businesses aren't as stupid as Mozilla and as short sighted as them setting this [recedent, and I have a dream that one day the militant gay left will realize that these tactics, and their rhetoric will eventually catch up them, and they won't like the outcome.

It's just a dream, but I have it all the time. ;)


Tim-
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I hope your dream materializes. Let's hope the same can happen in Europe too. The left's encroachment on liberty knows no bounds and it will accelerate unless something is done.
 
Cardinal said:
Say, "Cardinal, I believe no such thing. Of course I believe people are allowed to vote out a Senator for contributing to the Nazi Party!"

That's all you have to do. Do it, and all of this will go away like a bad dream.
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Flamebait much?
 
AGENT J said:
"seems" he did things that supported the fight against equal rights for gays and maybe even bigoted things, but they are legal and thats his right
seems employees found out about it and voiced their disapproval
seems customers found out about and voiced their disapproval
then it seems he stepped down

now i havent looked up many articles on this YET but so far i see ZERO issue with this, why should I? :shrug:
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has any of this changed yet?
is there any evidence Mozilla did anything illegal?
 
ecofarm said:
What do you want me to do?
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The word 'answer' wasnt clear?

You made a claim, I asked you to support it.

ecofarm said:
You don't seem to understand that CEOs are required to disclose non-criminal personal information in the hiring process. You're still ignoring context and pretending a CEO is the same as a cashier.
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Lursa said:
They are? Like what? Do you have sources for this?

"Required?"
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Lursa said:
The word 'answer' wasnt clear?

You made a claim, I asked you to support it.
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I posted a peer reviewed journal article discussing it, in regard to SEC and personal disclosure. You tried to read it and it was too complicated?
 
Kobie said:
Cue the people who start crying about "freedom of speech" without understanding what it means.
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Yeah, the old "freedom of speech only applies to government and does not give you freedom from the consequences" excuse. Freedom of speech is a universal right that can be infringed upon by anyone, not just government. People like you are basically saying, "Hey, you have every right to hold whatever personal beliefs you want, but if we ever found out you believe something we do not like we also have the right to use every means at our disposal to destroy your career and reputation so that anyone with personal beliefs we do not like will think twice before expressing such beliefs ever again, even in private! Freedom of speech, mother****er!" At that point freedom of speech becomes little more than lip service as you really just have a mob deciding what people can and can not say. The defense that "no one is stopping him from holding such beliefs nor is anyone arresting him for holding such beliefs" is not seeing the forest for the trees. People are being threatened and intimidated into silence. To say that is not a threat to freedom of speech betrays a lack of respect for the spirit of our rights.
 
Demon of Light said:
Yeah, the old "freedom of speech only applies to government and does not give you freedom from the consequences" excuse. Freedom of speech is a universal right that can be infringed upon by anyone, not just government. People like you are basically saying, "Hey, you have every right to hold whatever personal beliefs you want, but if we ever found out you believe something we do not like we also have the right to use every means at our disposal to destroy your career and reputation so that anyone with personal beliefs we do not like will think twice before expressing such beliefs ever again, even in private! Freedom of speech, mother****er!" At that point freedom of speech becomes little more than lip service as you really just have a mob deciding what people can and can not say. The defense that "no one is stopping him from holding such beliefs nor is anyone arresting him for holding such beliefs" is not seeing the forest for the trees. People are being threatened and intimidated into silence. To say that is not a threat to freedom of speech betrays a lack of respect for the spirit of our rights.
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So in other words, freedom of speech is freedom from consequence? I can get up on a soapbox at work and scream "I HATE BLACK PEOPLE" and if I were fired, it would be infringing on my freedom of speech?

What are the first four words of the First Amendment?
 
AGENT J said:
has any of this changed yet?
is there any evidence Mozilla did anything illegal?
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I don't think they did anything illegal.

I'm curious what he did in his brief tenure as the Mozilla CEO that changed the positive atmosphere that members of the LGBT community who worked at Mozilla enjoyed. And has anyone found out what he did while CTO of Mozilla that hurt anyone in the company who was gay?
 
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Anthony60 said:
Oh, and let me throw this out there. I have Mozilla on one computer. The next time I use that computer, I will unistall Mozilla (FireFox). I don't like the way they are intolerant to people's beliefs, and I hope others that support people not being attacked in such a manner will do so also.
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Congratulations on expressing your opinion. But you're way outnumbered so Mozilla went with the side that makes them more money.
 
I personally feel that gay marriage should be legal. I support that right. I also support the rights of people who don't agree with me.

That said, I'm sure everyone who was calling for Eich's head will be completely understanding when some company decides it isn't in their best interest to have a CEO who donated to any group that opposed Proposition 8 in 2008 as their CEO, or any other employee for that matter.
 
Deuce said:
Congratulations on expressing your opinion. But you're way outnumbered so Mozilla went with the side that makes them more money.
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Thanks so much! I'm sure Mozilla is in the midst of installing more servers to handle the certain blast of downloads they are sure to experience now that they put their foot on this non conforming unit that though he could think for himself!
 
ecofarm said:
I posted a peer reviewed journal article discussing it, in regard to SEC and personal disclosure. You tried to read it and it was too complicated?
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Where did you add it?
 
So much for free speech.:peace

The Hounding of a Heretic - Andrew Sullivan, The Dish

The guy who had the gall to express his First Amendment rights and favor Prop 8 in California by donating $1,000 has just been scalped by some gay activists. After an OKCupid decision to boycott Mozilla, the recently appointed Brendan Eich just resigned under pressure:
In a post at Mozilla’s official blog, executive chairwoman Mitchell Baker confirmed the news with an unequivocal apology on the company’s behalf. “Mozilla prides itself on being held to a different standard and, this past week, we didn’t live up to it,” Baker wrote. “We didn’t act like you’d expect Mozilla to act. We didn’t move fast enough to engage with people once the controversy started. We’re sorry. We must do better.”
The action comes days after dating site OKCupid became the most vocal opponent of Eich’s hiring. Mozilla offered repeated statements about LGBT inclusivity within the company over the past two weeks, but those never came with a specific response from Eich about his thousands of dollars of donations in support of Proposition 8, a California ballot measure that sought to ban gay marriage in the state.
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Will he now be forced to walk through the streets in shame? Why not the stocks? The whole episode disgusts me – as it should disgust anyone interested in a tolerant and diverse society. If this is the gay rights movement today – hounding our opponents with a fanaticism more like the religious right than anyone else – then count me out. If we are about intimidating the free speech of others, we are no better than the anti-gay bullies who came before us.
Update: A continuation of my stance here and my response to dissenting readers here. :peace
 
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