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Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

Peter Grimm said:
They did deal with it. They wrote him a fat check and bribed him to "resign" because they knew they couldn't legally fire him. Who is the big winner in all this?

Mozilla is retarded. Their browser is pretty good, and that may carry them through, but their management is retarded.
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why does there need to be a winner? this is just society doing what society does. Societies have always shunned people they believe to be of insufficient moral virtue. Its just in this case, its the liberals doing the shunning. This is simple human nature and it will likely never change. If people weren't fighting over this, they would invent some other moral indignation to fight over.

I am using the browser right now, but I have been considering switching to chrome now that their plug in system has gotten pretty good and the cloud print feature is pretty cool.
 
ecofarm said:
I don't see a CEO the same as a cashier. One cannot fire a cashier for failing to represent the company as expected in private affairs. A CEO, however, is a -the- representative of the company. And his failure to disclose personal affairs that could poorly reflect on the company is just about downright fraud and ground for dismissal.
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Abercrombie & Fitch built a central marketing effort around their employees being representatives of their brand. All of the usual grievance mongers whipped up a ****storm about that and A&F was actually forced to change their marketing effort.
 
tacomancer said:
why does there need to be a winner? this is just society doing what society does. Societies have always shunned people they believe to be of insufficient moral virtue. Its just in this case, its the liberals doing the shunning. This is simple human nature and it will likely never change.

I am using the browser right now, but I have been considering switching to chrome now that their plug in system has gotten pretty good and the cloud print feature is pretty cool.
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I'd say getting a fat check for two weeks of doing nothing makes the CEO a pretty big winner, and it is an expensive mistake by Mozilla.
 
Peter Grimm said:
I'd say getting a fat check for two weeks of doing nothing makes the CEO a pretty big winner, and it is an expensive mistake by Mozilla.
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The CEO was winning either way, it makes no sense to call him a winner when his pay is ending and this public controversy harms his future employment prospects.

There is also no evidence to say mozilla made a mistake from what I can tell either.

Sometimes, in situations like this, bad things happen, there is no sense in it, and everyone is worse off. This is one such situation.
 
ecofarm said:
I don't see a CEO the same as a cashier. One cannot fire a cashier for failing to represent the company as expected in private affairs. A CEO, however, is a -the- representative of the company. And his failure to disclose personal affairs that could poorly reflect on the company is just about downright fraud and ground for dismissal.
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LOL. Was he ever asked?

Mozilla didn't do their diligence BEFORE they hired him. THAT was the time to vet your candidate. Disagree with me all you want, there's a reason this man was never fired - it would have been a very expensive mistake for Mozilla.

It already was, but it would have been even more so.
 
ecofarm said:
Fair enough, perhaps there was.
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Well, point being, they didn't fire him. They probably threw Rolls Royces made entirely of gold and cocaine at him to get him out of there.
 
RiverDad said:
Abercrombie & Fitch built a central marketing effort around their employees being representatives of their brand. All of the usual grievance mongers whipped up a ****storm about that and A&F was actually forced to change their marketing effort.
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'Everybody gets to be a CEO' doesn't work.
 
tacomancer said:
The CEO was winning either way, it makes no sense to call him a winner when his pay is ending and this public controversy harms his future employment prospects.

There is also no evidence to say mozilla made a mistake from what I can tell either.

Sometimes, in situations like this, bad things happen, there is no sense in it, and everyone is worse off. This is one such situation.
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He wouldn't have willfully stepped down unless he was compensated for it.

He'll find another job - clearly he was qualified enough to get the Mozilla job, and there are plenty of conservatives out there who will be behind him. Get a job with Chick Fillet or whatever that chain is (I refrain from fast food.) Get a job at Hobby Lobby.
 
Cardinal said:
Then it sounds like you're not ready to wield authority again, because you don't seem to understand what the story is about. Mozilla clearly wanted to project a type of image about itself, and Eich's public behavior ran contrary to that image. There are cases where the lines between personal behavior vs. institution's desired image can get really blurry. This is not one of them.
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Did Eich run a company in such a way where his personal views affected and effected the daily business of Mozilla? No, in fact he's been part of the Mozilla project since it's start and the board knew about this donation going back to 2008 . So reality is their product is FREE so they make absolutely no money from what consumers and rather they rely on income from the likes of Google who account for 85% of their revenue. But Mozilla gotta bullied into this position.
 
Peter Grimm said:
LOL. Was he ever asked?

Mozilla didn't do their diligence BEFORE they hired him. THAT was the time to vet your candidate. Disagree with me all you want, there's a reason this man was never fired - it would have been a very expensive mistake for Mozilla.

It already was, but it would have been even more so.
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I'm sure they asked if he had or was engaged in any activities that were counter to the company's image and he told them it was all good.
 
Kobie said:
If the government threw him in jail, that would be violating freedom of speech. He exercised his first amendment right to freedom of speech; Mozilla exercised theirs to freedom of association.
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Wait...you mean THE FREE MARKET?

No one censors speech they agree with.
 
Peter Grimm said:
He wouldn't have willfully stepped down unless he was compensated for it.

He'll find another job - clearly he was qualified enough to get the Mozilla job, and there are plenty of conservatives out there who will be behind him. Get a job with Chick Fillet or whatever that chain is (I refrain from fast food.) Get a job at Hobby Lobby.
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He's going to be radioactive for a good chunk of the year, at least with tech companies with high brand recognition.
 
Cardinal said:
Well, point being, they didn't fire him. They probably threw Rolls Royces made entirely of gold and cocaine at him to get him out of there.
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Firing him would cost the same. Either way, his removal is legit. He defrauded them.
 
Peter Grimm said:
He wouldn't have willfully stepped down unless he was compensated for it.
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true, but this does not mean he wins, he makes less money in the long run than he otherwise would have.

Peter Grimm said:
He'll find another job - clearly he was qualified enough to get the Mozilla job, and there are plenty of conservatives out there who will be behind him. Get a job with Chick Fillet or whatever that chain is (I refrain from fast food.) Get a job at Hobby Lobby.
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Perhaps as a CTO or CIO somewhere as he has an engineering background, this may happen, so perhaps your right that he wasn't harmed here, but I am not sure I would still call it a win. His passion was obviously the world wide web as he was one of the main people responsible for java script and a number of innovations. He was probably doing his passion.
 
Peter Grimm said:
And then your company would face lawsuits. Honestly, you people don't know the law very well.
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Actually, I do. 30 years of experience in Fortune 500 and Fortune 50 companies training managers in labor law and working in compliance programs.
 
austrianecon said:
Google supports Mozilla with funding. So back to IE?
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He went with Opera. Gay marriage is legal in Norway (Opera is a Norwegian company), so no pro same sex marriage political activity could be dug up, though that's probably for the same reason that Microsoft doesn't donate money to causes pushing for Women's right to vote.
 
RiverDad said:
Fair enough, so when can we start firing people for being homosexual or being a woman or being handicapped or being black?
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You don't know the law very well do you?

When you are at that level in a very public company, there are standards, by his actions, he reflected poorly on the company and caused injury to the company. It is different when you are a CEO versus an Accountant.
 
beefheart said:
You don't know the law very well do you?

When you are at that level in a very public company, there are standards, by his actions, he reflected poorly on the company and caused injury to the company. It is different when you are a CEO versus an Accountant.
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also dont forget if theres conduct policies that one signs or contracts etc a company could fire a janitor if they want. Position wouldnt matter.
 
AGENT J said:
also dont forget if theres conduct policies that one signs or contracts etc a company could fire a janitor if they want. Position wouldnt matter.
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Yes, as long as you are not firing someone because of race, sex, religion, national origin or ethnicity, and in some states, sexual preference.
 
beefheart said:
Yes, as long as you are not firing someone because of race, sex, religion, national origin or ethnicity, and in some states, sexual preference.
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It's now time to remove these protections. It's obscene that people can be fired for supporting marriage and not for the above. Let's have a free-fire zone - everyone can be fired for any damn reason.
 
RiverDad said:
It's now time to remove these protections. It's obscene that people can be fired for supporting marriage and not for the above. Let's have a free-fire zone - everyone can be fired for any damn reason.
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No, it isn't.

Because hiring and firing decisions are made by people, and people have biases and people make mistakes.

And people like you might actually be given the responsibility to make important decisions.

Don't like it? Move to another country, we don't need theocrats and dictators like you in this country.
 
beefheart said:
Yes, as long as you are not firing someone because of race, sex, religion, national origin or ethnicity, and in some states, sexual preference.
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even all those arent protected if theres a contract. FOr example religion. There have been cases of teachers or admin losing thier jobs at religious schools because they participated in a marriage that was fine with thier person religion but not the schools conduct clause.

But again a person knows this going in, its not a surprise and this is only for contracts.
 
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