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Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

How do you think the opponents of women's suffrage and the opponents of the Civil Rights movement were treated?
How do you think gays were treated compared to blacks and women? They can vote, don't have to move from the buss, can live together and have no crimes against their lifestyle... The comparisons and straw mans back to Civil Rights era and women's suffrage stuff needs to stop, the issues aren't comparable and the arguments/defenses are also different. It's just a cheap vilification tactic to paint opposition as evil people in an attempt to also justify the hate and discrimination against them.
That doesn't answer the question. How do you think the rest of the country treated the opponents of our various Civil Rights movements?

Were these opponents given the unchallenged ability to serve as business leaders and community leaders? That they faced no consequence for their views?

Please.
 
I'm not so sure, if he had spoken about his beliefs or it became known that he supported traditional marriage I think something similar would have happened. Donating $1000 to an organization from private money that ultimately failed in its goal really isn't a big deal or action, at least in how I look at it. It's not really something that was well known, someone had to have done some digging years back to pull that out and make it public.



How do you think gays were treated compared to blacks and women? They can vote, don't have to move from the buss, can live together and have no crimes against their lifestyle... The comparisons and straw mans back to Civil Rights era and women's suffrage stuff needs to stop, the issues aren't comparable and the arguments/defenses are also different. It's just a cheap vilification tactic to paint opposition as evil people in an attempt to also justify the hate and discrimination against them.

Without action, no one knows your beliefs.
 
He was asked to step down for holding a position that is vehemently contrary to that of the company that he was going to lead. I don't understand the confusion.

Mozilla makes a browser, homosexual "marriage" advocacy and propaganda is not part of their mission.
 
Good, I don't support discrimination either.


I thought you were trying to use a browser that wasn't made by a company that's all gay and stuff.
 
The fact remains, he is responsible for representing the company and he failed.

The fact remains that he wasn't fired, so apparently the board at Mozilla had some concerns as well. As they should have.

If they don't want the guy working for them, that's their prerogative. But they can't fire him. Hence why they most likely wrote him a big check and said "please leave so we can look good to the public."
 
I thought you were trying to use a browser that wasn't made by a company that's all gay and stuff.

Yeah, no pink flowery browsers for me.

I don't want to use a browser that donates money to gay marriage causes or that fires employees for donating their own money on their own time to conservative causes.
 
Mozilla makes a browser, homosexual "marriage" advocacy and propaganda is not part of their mission.

Their mission is to attract a user base, that's how they stay in business. You do this by projecting an image that welcomes all. Having a CEO that is against equality for homosexuals is bad PR. To even try to insinuate that image plays no role in a company's success is extremely naive and woefully ignorant.

Petco is about animal care, but let their CEO be quoted saying "I hate Negroes" and all of sudden they are synonymous with racism.
 
Discrimination is vehemently opposed in some sectors of society, deal with it.
 
Their mission is to attract a user base, that's how they stay in business. You do this by projecting an image that welcomes all. Having a CEO that is against equality for homosexuals is bad PR. To even try to insinuate that image plays no role in a company's success is extremely naive and woefully ignorant.

Petco is about animal care, but let their CEO be quoted saying "I hate Negroes" and all of sudden they are synonymous with racism.


LOL @ "against equality."

Good lord, STFU.

There's nothing wrong with supporting traditional marriage. Half the country does.
 
Yeah, no pink flowery browsers for me.

I don't want to use a browser that donates money to gay marriage causes or that fires employees for donating their own money on their own time to conservative causes.

Hmm, it's not actually clear where they fall on the subject because they're a company in Norway, which has fully legal same sex marriage. They probably wouldn't feel much need to donate to that kind of cause because it's not an issue anymore.
 
Hmm, it's not actually clear where they fall on the subject because they're a company in Norway, which has fully legal same sex marriage. They probably wouldn't feel much need to donate to that kind of cause because it's not an issue anymore.

Good, Opera it is then. And I'm a Swede so I'm down for supporting my Scandinavian bros.
 
Hmm, it's not actually clear where they fall on the subject because they're a company in Norway, which has fully legal same sex marriage. They probably wouldn't feel much need to donate to that kind of cause because it's not an issue anymore.

For the record, I try not to do business with any company that's politically active in any way.

It's not their place.

It's improper for a corporation to be politically active. Just focus on your damn product and stay out of the political arena.
 


He already gay me one? Freudian slip?

LOL it's cool. Opera it is.
 
As a non-profit foundation Mozilla is quite dependent on donations a lot more than your typical corporation so it was a practical business decision for him to step down.
 
Cardinal already gay you the link for Opera Post #75

Excuse me, sir, may I...ass...you a question?


I think he's just trying to find a browser where he's blissfully ignorant of any pro-gay sentiments they might have.
 

Free market...the customers spoke. All the religious conservatives are always saying that companies should have the ability to fire anyone, even over their beliefs (unless, of course, it is something they agree with..LOL)

Mozilla saw the potential fiasco and loss of revenue and consumer support and acted.

Isn't that how the free market works?
 
1.)He "stepped down" amid "controversy" over his personal beliefs. I think it's obvious as to why.
2.)Websites like OKCupid were attacking Mozilla and it hit the news with attacks on the company over the new CEO's beliefs.
3.)People have a right to boycott and free speech.
4.) But if people are going to go to the point that they will literally hate and wish to harm businesses/workers over their personal beliefs then they may want to reevaluate themselves.
5.) That's like demanding a business or CEO step down because they are a homosexual or have supported SSM.
6.)If you're wanting a browser with a company that supports social conservatism or traditional marriage Google probably also isn't for you. They've publicly advocated for pro-gay issues and SSM stuff.
7.)Not all of them are subjects of political hot topics either. We have actors and CEO's who cheat on spouses all the time and engage in all kinds of corruption. Heck, some others may even be contributing to human rights violations in countries used for cheap labor. I think it's silly that a guy donating $1000 to a pro-prop 8 groups gets this kind of outcry while others don't.

1.) so he stepped down and wasnt fired or illegally harrased
2.) they have that freedom
3.) correct
4.) depends on the issue
5.) what are you comparing this to? are you comparing this to what he did? then yes its similar and people have this freedom and rights, Its just like Westboro, they have thier rights. I dont like what they do but they have thier rights
6.) just an fyi a company and or person can do all three
7.) im not surprise that many people wouldnt as harshly judge a person who cheated vs a bigot who is against peoples rights. Not condoning either act just saying theres no surprise at all in that for me.
 
Oh lord. Read, people.

I was responding to ecofarm, he said he would personally fire someone for an offense like this. I was simply reminding him that you can't really fire someone for something like this.

Probably why he left on his own, with a big fat check and a smile on his face. They bribed him out.

depends on the job. if it were some accountant or it person in the back room, than as a manager i probably wouldn't care. If it were a PR person or an executive who's public persona had impact on the value of the brand, I would absolutely care as it could affect sales. There are no hard and fast rules here and these decisions are contextual and it is legitimate that different criteria be applied to different job functions.

Alternatively is some muckity much from chick fil a was found to be pro gay rights or perhaps a muckity muck from hobby lobby was found donating to planned parenthood, it would be perfectly legitimate to fire them too. Branding is a value perception and the most powerful brands tend to have a cultural context associated with them. For example, when you think of the word wholesome, what brands do you think of? If you think of family oriented, there are brands associated with that, such as doug and melissa toys. If you think of a bank, you might think of security.
 
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For the record, I try not to do business with any company that's politically active in any way.

It's not their place.

It's improper for a corporation to be politically active. Just focus on your damn product and stay out of the political arena.

Well, you could always support gay marriage. Then, when it's legal in all fifty states it wouldn't need to even be a political cause anymore. Then you could use any damn browser you want.

Anyway, let us know how Opera is. I don't know anything about it.
 
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