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Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

Nope, you can't fire someone for donating to a political cause. It'll never fly.

He's not being fired for a political cause. He's being fired because he failed, as a designated representative, to serve the company.
 
They use their popularity to shame and or bring attention to individuals or corporations they view as intolerant. Their most recent was their stance against the soichi Olympics.

Google makes statement about Russian anti-gay law



Had this man worked for them he would have been kicked to the curve in the same fashion. So you are not really making a statement by going to chrome.


/uninstalls google chrome, goes back to Safari.

Dammit.
 
Well, a couple points here. First, if I were going to work for a company whose image was very conservative and intolerant, I'd be verrrrrry careful not to air my politics. Second, how would you go about uncovering the politics of an employee?

Understand my point, I don't have a problem with people being fired for any cause, I believe in free associations and this comes part and parcel with that belief. My problem is with the uneven application of that principle. Someone can be fired for believing in marriage but another person can't be fired for believing in homosexual "marriage."

I say it's now fair game - start firing everyone who supports the notion of homosexual "marriage."
 
I'm typing this on Google chrome right now and have both browsers installed...

My views are that I'm pro SSM. I'm just against the hackery and bigotry/hate that constantly comes from the pro-SSM side directed at those that support traditional marriage though.

Thanks for the judgement though.
How do you think the opponents of women's suffrage and the opponents of the Civil Rights movement were treated?
 
You must admit, if he had not taken that action, he would still be employed, no matter what his beliefs are. No thought police.

I'm not so sure, if he had spoken about his beliefs or it became known that he supported traditional marriage I think something similar would have happened. Donating $1000 to an organization from private money that ultimately failed in its goal really isn't a big deal or action, at least in how I look at it. It's not really something that was well known, someone had to have done some digging years back to pull that out and make it public.

How do you think the opponents of women's suffrage and the opponents of the Civil Rights movement were treated?

How do you think gays were treated compared to blacks and women? They can vote, don't have to move from the buss, can live together and have no crimes against their lifestyle... The comparisons and straw mans back to Civil Rights era and women's suffrage stuff needs to stop, the issues aren't comparable and the arguments/defenses are also different. It's just a cheap vilification tactic to paint opposition as evil people in an attempt to also justify the hate and discrimination against them.
 
He's not being fired for a political cause. He's being fired because he failed, as a designated representative, to serve the company.

You don't know what you're talking about. He didn't fail to do his job. His only objectionable offense is donating to a political cause from his personal money on his free time.

Look, I'm not arguing this with you. If you happen to own a company and you try to fire someone for something like this, they can sue you and they will win. Fair warning.

By the way, that's why this man was not fired. He was bribed to resign on his own free will, thus avoiding lawsuits.
 
You don't know what you're talking about. He didn't fail to do his job.

Yes, he did. He embarrassed the company. A CEO is a representative and not just a worker.
 
Understand my point, I don't have a problem with people being fired for any cause, I believe in free associations and this comes part and parcel with that belief. My problem is with the uneven application of that principle. Someone can be fired for believing in marriage but another person can't be fired for believing in homosexual "marriage."

I say it's now fair game - start firing everyone who supports the notion of homosexual "marriage."

Well, actually, you do understand that Eich stepped down and wasn't fired, right?
 
Well, actually, you do understand that Eich stepped down and wasn't fired, right?

No one is fired at that level, it's always a stepping down, I want to spend time with my family, I'm doing it for the good of the company, etc. He was pushed, let's not split hairs.
 
From the reactions it would almost seem like he raped or murdered someone.

Nope, he just donated money to a group that supported Prop 8. The fact that his company (from what I've read) gave benefits to LGBTQ couples in their company and pushed to not have discriminatory practices is irrelevant.

The anti-SSM bullying should stop, but I doubt it will happen. But then again, companies and society shouldn't be catering to the brainless bigots that would want to punish, fire or harm those that disagree with their views on marriage.

On the other hand, bullying would also suggest that those who would bar one from getting legally married are the one's bullying and are not merely disagreeing with marriage, eh?
 
On the other hand, bullying would also suggest that those who would bar one from getting legally married are the one's bullying and are not merely disagreeing with marriage, eh?

Rock Hudson wasn't prevented from marrying. No one is stopping anyone from getting married.
 
On the other hand, bullying would also suggest that those who would bar one from getting legally married are the one's bullying and are not merely disagreeing with marriage, eh?

They can get legally married. I don't think any state requires a litmus test asking before someone gets married if they've had sex with another of the same gender or have same sex attractions.

The issue is that the definition of marriage where they do want to get married according to how they define it is something that needs to be changed. But then again, do you support "fighting fire with fire" if I'm supposed to take it that those who support traditional marriage are all bullies?
 
No one is fired at that level, it's always a stepping down, I want to spend time with my family, I'm doing it for the good of the company, etc. He was pushed, let's not split hairs.

As I actually agreed with Grimm (I know, Hell just got a little breezy), if you don't think he got very, very nicely paid for stepping down then you're a little naive. Trust me, Eich will be able to make the rent this month.
 
As I actually agreed with Grimm (I know, Hell just got a little breezy), if you don't think he got very, very nicely paid for stepping down then you're a little naive. Trust me, Eich will be able to make the rent this month.

I was involved with SV start-ups back in the late 90s. My FIL is a big mucky-muck in the area. I know how things work. That's not the point.
 
He was asked to step down for holding a position that is vehemently contrary to that of the company that he was going to lead. I don't understand the confusion.

If i was the ceo of a company that actively identifies it's self as pro women rights and, lo and behold, a quote of me saying "Women belong barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen" is leaked to the public - all of sudden I'm not fit for my position. It's logic.

It's like Riverdad being the head of Google. It's just would make no since.
 
Jesus Christ.

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They can get legally married. I don't think any state requires a litmus test asking before someone gets married if they've had sex with another of the same gender or have same sex attractions.

The issue is that the definition of marriage where they do want to get married according to how they define it is something that needs to be changed. But then again, do you support "fighting fire with fire" if I'm supposed to take it that those who support traditional marriage are all bullies?

I encourage the concept of a slow, gradual process of making it unpopular to voice anti-SSM concepts, yes. I'm just rather amused that the other side doesn't consider what they do "bullying." I'm all for bullying.
 
I was involved with SV start-ups back in the late 90s. My FIL is a big mucky-muck in the area. I know how things work. That's not the point.

Okay, tell you what, I'll go work for a company in which you're my boss, and when you find out I'm a big ol Libbo you can give me the same treatment Eich got. I can take it.
 
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