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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Sheesh, some consider him a bigot because he donated to an effort to strip gays of their rights. Can no conservatives see this as fundamentally different than merely having divergent VIEWS?

    Let's try another example.

    Person 1: I'm a devout Muslim
    Person 2: I'm a devout Christian

    We'd all agree, I think, that 1 and 2 should peacefully coexist in any workplace, and not be offended that their CEO takes a different view than them personally.

    Person 1: I'm a devout Christian
    Person 2: I'm a devout Muslim, and I donated to an effort to pass a Constitutional amendment to make "Sharia" the permanent law of California.

    Can anyone see the difference, and get why in that situation Christian employees, suppliers, customers, etc. might vehemently object to the Muslim CEO? It's no longer merely different opinions, which should be tolerated, but in this case Person 2 wants to enforce his views on EVERYONE, even those who disagree. Why is this so hard to get.
    He (#2) wants to enforce his views on everyone, in a perfectly legal and provided for manner. Gays want to enforce their view that everyone should change the meaning of marriage. But they should do it legally and morally. They have not accepted statewide votes and the will of the people. They have used tactics to damage people's lives and to try and get one person or a handful of people to enforce their will on everyone else, like it or not.
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I'm just pointing out the obvious. It's the same few people in every thread. I'm just saving you time.

    I know - I misread your earlier point. Thanks.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Only, that's not the case and is a typical strawman.
    How so? If someone is so wrapped up in their position, feel so righteous in their position, they are not likely to change from that position no matter what differing positions, counter evidence, and reasoned and reasonable arguments you present. They stop listening. They stop taking in new counter position information into consideration. This happens to people on all points of the political spectrum. How is this not the case? Can you elaborate?

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So then they just wanted him to lose his job I guess, since there is no evidence that he negatively impacted anyone's job at Mozilla in all his years there, even though he wasn't concerned with what they did on their non-work time. Wait - are you saying managers are supposed to worry about their employees' personal time too? That's a new one. So managers are now responsible for employees' private lives and what goes on in their private lives? Can managers have a say in their employees' private lives too?
    No, they're not supposed to 'worry about their' private lives, but employees might expect them to refrain from actively stripping their personal rights from them. I'm really not sure why you want to diminish the act he supported. It was an attempt to reduce LGBT he treated well at work to second class status when they went home. There simply IS a big disconnect there.

    Okay, so nobody protested the black bigots when they opposed gay marriage. I get it now.
    You're grasping at straws. Off point and not relevant to this discussion.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Sheesh, some consider him a bigot because he donated to an effort to strip gays of their rights. Can no conservatives see this as fundamentally different than merely having divergent VIEWS?
    If he's a bigot, then those pushing gay marriage are also bigots. No rights were stripped, or proposed to be stripped from anyone. What's so hard to understand?
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Seriously, you don't mean to argue that a man can marry a man, do you? That's not marriage. Get it?
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    How so? If someone is so wrapped up in their position, feel so righteous in their position, they are not likely to change from that position no matter what differing positions, counter evidence, and reasoned and reasonable arguments you present. They stop listening. They stop taking in new counter position information into consideration. This happens to people on all points of the political spectrum. How is this not the case? Can you elaborate?
    It can be debated either point was "righteous". People have a right to hear both sides and decide if they support side A or B or neither. That's called living in a democracy.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    No, they're not supposed to 'worry about their' private lives, but employees might expect them to refrain from actively stripping their personal rights from them. I'm really not sure why you want to diminish the act he supported. It was an attempt to reduce LGBT he treated well at work to second class status when they went home. There simply IS a big disconnect there.



    You're grasping at straws. Off point and not relevant to this discussion.
    You can't expect people to worry about their employees' non-work time and at the same time say they have no right to worry about their employees' private lives, which is what is legal today.

    Either Eich was responsible for what goings on in their private lives, or he wasn't. It can't be both ways.

    He also was entitled to a private life without having to justify what he did on his own time. He was as free as anyone else to support Prop 8. There should be no expectation that his private views should have to be explained or justified.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Not "grovel" but publicly stating he no longer supports the state enforcing a second class citizenship for them in their time outside work would be nice.
    So, he doesn't "have to" but that "would be nice" or you'll work to get him fired from his job....Nah, no strong arming there....pfft.

    I get you don't respect the position of LGBT here, but that's not the point.
    Actually, just to illustrate your totally unfounded assumptions here, I used to vehemently rail against gay marriage, until before even being a member of this site, I was in a debate on another site, and was in a respectful, and informative debate I changed my mind. So, long story short, for about the past 6 years, I have supported the right of anyone to "marry" anyone they wish...But, apparently the bar now seems to be not only support, but I must shout it from the rooftops to be believed. I just don't care about it that much....However, your assumption is wrong. And to avoid looking foolish in the future, I would suggest that you hold off on assuming things about people you don't even know.

    If the rights were important to you, would you accept a CEO dedicated to stripping them?
    Not every thing you want to change about society is all of the sudden "a right"..... THAT is more what I am arguing against rather than whether or not Joe, and Steve whom have been together for 20 years want to have a wedding.

    For example, should an org with evangelical roots accept a CEO dedicated to abortion on demand in public, even IF at work the health plan doesn't cover abortion or contraception? That in the narrow confines of the workplace, he supports an anti-abortion stance, but has a different public stance?
    Hypothetical arguments are for losing debates....Stick with facts and you'll fare better.
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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Yeah, right, because a constitutional amendment to, for example, ban gay marriage is DEFINITELY NOT anyone deciding which views are more equal than others. Good point!
    Marriage between Gays is not a point of view its a change in long held laws, and everyone should have an opportunity to speak on any of these historical changes to any long held traditions and laws.. I happen to support Gay marriage (my son is Gay) but what is happening now is the silencing of any opposing opinions and the threats from employers and the court if you don't adhere to the fashionable belief of the day.

    This fascism is truly more dangerous than any idea of Gay marriage, and will continue on long after whatever controversial subjects may arrive next.

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