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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Eich wasn't fired.
    Hardly anyone at that level is fired. They're shown the door and allowed to claim it's voluntary. It's just social graces masquerading the brutal reality. We both know it. There's no way that this drama would continue for 4 months if he stood his ground and refused to leave. He'd have actually been publicly fired in short order.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Precisely. And enough people (apparently) told Mozilla they'd stop using Firefox that Mozilla divested itself of a potential liability, for better or worse.
    So Mozilla was bought. Nice. That says even more about them.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by BobbyO View Post
    The employees of Mozilla who placed pressure o the company are not engaging in free speech.
    Yes they are.

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    They are trying to shut speech down.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequence.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    1. I defy you to find me any time in this thread I've celebrated Eich's "scalp" or actually supported Mozilla's decision.

    2. Eich wasn't fired.
    "Da Dude" when have you ever articulated a solution rather than argue against others opinions and solutions?

    There is a difference between an opinion and an authoritarian anecdote.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Why hide behind employment law? What makes expressing a political or theological or legal idea something worthy of targeting but not worthy of protection under employment law? Why not have an even playing field for everyone?
    Ask the people who wrote the employment laws.

    By your rationale, the act of responding negatively to someone saying or doing something they find objectionable is worse than the actual act itself.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    1. I defy you to find me any time in this thread I've celebrated Eich's "scalp" or actually supported Mozilla's decision.
    In that case I apologize to you for including you in that statement.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So Mozilla was bought. Nice. That says even more about them.
    No different than any other boycott (or threat of one). That's what boycotts are for.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    I never said he doesn't have a right to try and outlaw gay marriage. I simply said there are consequences.
    Retroactive consequences. Nice. As if there are people with a past of pure driven snow. Dig hard enough and there'll be dirt that you can punishment with? Especially if now it's politically incorrect? And here I was thinking that to forgive is divine. Guess no luck for that with any liberals / progressives steering the boat.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I didn't say Eich was fired, Kobie.

    Terminating him wouldn't be illegal. You can terminate people. Happens every day.
    "Terminated" and "fired," generally speaking, mean the same thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    But okay, in the Hobby Lobby example - how about if they pressure an employee to resign because of political contributions from 6 years ago to Prop 8 opposition causes. You support it, no question, right?
    As long as said "pressure" didn't violate labor law, I respect their right to do it. I think it would be every bit as petty and vindictive as the Mozilla incident (probably moreso, since Hobby Lobby wouldn't be pushing their CEO out the door with a fat severance package).
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

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    5 Corporations That Should Be Blacklisted By Conservatives - John Hawkins - Page 1

    Not all conservatives agree.



    It would be their right; whether it's a smart business decision remains to be seen.

    Personally I find boycotting business when investing to be silly.

    More than once have I sold off shares and with a portion of my gains donated to causes which the companies themselves are against. (not selling off with this intent mind you, but there's nothing wrong with making alliances with the "enemy" when it benefits you..)

    I'm pleased as punch to know that the money they made me is acting against what they publicly support.
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