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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    That's fair. I'm all for freedom. I'd love to see you getting fired for being a loudmouth woman.
    I could very easily be seen as a threat for speaking against policy.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    So "traditional marriage" (i.e. marriage between a man and a woman) is on the "target list" now?
    If people who say they support traditional marriage are being called bigots now, yes Kobie, they are being targeted.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Absolutely. And since we agree that he did nothing illegal, and the employees should have the right to free speech, I think all of the supporters of traditional marriage should now have the same right. And I'm sure I'll see all of you come to the defense of the companies being boycotted when they decide to pressure employees who donated to causes that opposed Prop 8 to resign.
    They always have had that same right.

    Boycotts are pretty much the only exercise in free speech that the common person has that can have any measurable effect. If people want to boycott gay-friendly businesses, have at it. We'll see how that goes.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If people who say they support traditional marriage are being called bigots now, yes Kobie, they are being targeted.
    We've been over what I meant by that. "Supporting traditional marriage," in the colloquial sense, is a nice way of saying "I'm against gay marriage."
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Nobody said Hobby Lobby can't have a religion. What they can't do is use their religion to withhold medical services from their employees.
    But you would enthusiastically support Hobby Lobby forcing an employee to leave because the employee donated money to a political group that opposed Prop 8?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    We've been over what I meant by that. "Supporting traditional marriage," in the colloquial sense, is a nice way of saying "I'm against gay marriage."
    You can't assume that.

    If someone says "I support the NAACP" do you assume he is saying "I'm against white people"?

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It's now come down to - don't ever donate to a political cause or candidate, because it offends the LGBT community, all hell will break loose. I wonder where this stops?

    Meh, I actually hope this guy walked away with a gigantic severance package.
    He very well might have. It is my understanding that he was one of the founders of Mozilla. Inventor and developer of Javascript which is now in every single browser. So a technical web pioneer of high regard and success. Too bad for Mozilla to have lost him and his abilities, and it's not like Mozilla was a place where LGBT was penalized. Equal benefit for SS partners, and equal consideration for promotion, from what I understand.

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Right, it's called vindictive to not shop at a place whose CEO promotes and bankrolls something your against Last time I checked, people in the US have that right. If the company or the CEO doesn't like it, tough cookies.
    I guess it'll be tough cookies as well when political correctness turns on your previous actions and positions as well then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    So "traditional marriage" (i.e. marriage between a man and a woman) is on the "target list" now?
    Has not someone posted that it was impossible / improbable to be pro tradition marriage as well as pro SSM (or SS civil unions)?

    That being the case and given the present environment of (over) political correctness, who could afford to have a traditional marriage anymore? The potential for the punishment of loosing your career, and who can afford that? Who can afford that on an ongoing basis?

    Being so cowed as to not express politically incorrect correct ideas, why risk the possibility of punishment? Better to not have a marriage at all and be 'safe' from political over correctness.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    They always have had that same right.

    Boycotts are pretty much the only exercise in free speech that the common person has that can have any measurable effect. If people want to boycott gay-friendly businesses, have at it. We'll see how that goes.
    Boycotts are for sissies. I want to see a company force out an executive who supports gay marriage through political donations. Nobody can complain about it - not even the love pimpers at the Cupid site. It wouldn't be illegal. And it would be their right. Correct?

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    He very well might have. It is my understanding that he was one of the founders of Mozilla. Inventor and developer of Javascript which is now in every single browser. So a technical web pioneer of high regard and success. Too bad for Mozilla to have lost him and his abilities, and it's not like Mozilla was a place where LGBT was penalized. Equal benefit for SS partners, and equal consideration for promotion, from what I understand.
    If Mozilla was doing anything to oppress or otherwise hurt their LGBT employees, it would have come out. They did everything right. I guess it wasn't good enough for the employees. They wanted to make some kind of statement with all this. Strange.

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    Re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So if he did nothing illegal, what business is it of anyone?
    By donating, he put his beliefs in the public square.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And if corporations are people made up of the personal views of the people, then why are all of the Liberals attacking Hobby Lobby?
    "All of the Liberals" are attacking Hobby Lobby? That's funny, I'm a liberal and I haven't said a word about Hobby Lobby until this thread (and I didn't bring it up). Do we seriously not see the difference between two unrelated cases?

    The Mozilla case is about a company divesting itself from what it sees as a potential liability due to the (overzealous) backlash his employment caused. The Hobby Lobby case is about a company attempting to get out of covering medical services in its insurance policies.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The Mozilla employees must be either underworked or radical. There is no evidence whatsoever that Eich was anything but a good manager, and never did anything during his tenure at Mozilla that could be considered discrininatory towards gays. If they did this, then they are nothing but a lynch mob IMO, going after a man because of what he did in his personal life.
    I said earlier that I think this is overreach by the Anti-Eich Brigade.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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