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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    So in other words, freedom of speech is freedom from consequence? I can get up on a soapbox at work and scream "I HATE BLACK PEOPLE" and if I were fired, it would be infringing on my freedom of speech?
    Not even remotely comparable. Having a political position that you support outside of work is not the same as shouting it in people's ears at your workplace.

    What are the first four words of the First Amendment?
    The U.S. Constitution limits the government, but the rights themselves are inviolable by all. If you had any grasp of the law you might know that. Of course, most self-proclaimed "liberals" nowadays do not really give a **** about the Constitution unless it can be misinterpreted in a way that favors their position. BTW, I think you mean the first five words, not four.

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    So, if he'd slaughtered a puppy on live television
    That kind of thing is illegal in most states if I recall correctly, unlike donating money to a political campaign.
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Well I haven't read the article in the OP, but it sure didn't sound like that....
    In the words of Andrew Sullivan:

    Will he now be forced to walk through the streets in shame? Why not the stocks? The whole episode disgusts me – as it should disgust anyone interested in a tolerant and diverse society. If this is the gay rights movement today – hounding our opponents with a fanaticism more like the religious right than anyone else – then count me out. If we are about intimidating the free speech of others, we are no better than the anti-gay bullies who came before us.
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyhunter View Post
    Boycott Mozilla for stifling free speech.
    https://www.facebook.com/events/4815...=plan_reminder
    How was free speech stifled here? He was the CEO of a major company and he openly took a position on a controversial issue, losing them customers.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    If it makes the company you work for look bad, definitely.

    I should say that it was not his opinion that got him kicked out, but rather the actions he took based on those opinions.
    By all accounts that I've heard on this, as well as the man's blog posting, it doesn't seem like he was taking any actions that made the company look or perform badly.

    Now granted, we are operating on limited information, as I dare say none of us actually worked at Mozilla and experienced his actions and performance there.

    SOCTUS recently rules that political contributions are a form of free speech. By punishing Eich for him exercising his free speech, are we no better than other people that suppress other's free speech?

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    By all accounts that I've heard on this, as well as the man's blog posting, it doesn't seem like he was taking any actions that made the company look or perform badly.

    Now granted, we are operating on limited information, as I dare say none of us actually worked at Mozilla and experienced his actions and performance there.

    SOCTUS recently rules that political contributions are a form of free speech. By punishing Eich for him exercising his free speech, are we no better than other people that suppress other's free speech?
    I don't consider holding your CEO, as a representative of your company, to a higher standard than you might hold your customer support employees...unreasonable.

    His job is to increase profits, basically...this was counter to that.

    You might argue that Mozilla's customers are stifling his free speech with their free speech. These things happen.
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    How was free speech stifled here? He was the CEO of a major company and he openly took a position on a controversial issue, losing them customers.
    Will he now be forced to walk through the streets in shame? Why not the stocks? The whole episode disgusts me – as it should disgust anyone interested in a tolerant and diverse society. If this is the gay rights movement today – hounding our opponents with a fanaticism more like the religious right than anyone else – then count me out. If we are about intimidating the free speech of others, we are no better than the anti-gay bullies who came before us.
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    It was a business decision by Mozilla driven by consumer response, i.e. the free market.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I don't consider holding your CEO, as a representative of your company, to a higher standard than you might hold your customer support employees...unreasonable.

    His job is to increase profits, basically...this was counter to that.

    You might argue that Mozilla's customers are stifling his free speech with their free speech. These things happen.
    I'd agree that CEO's need to be held to a higher standard. Framing it in time, back in 2008 there were lots of people in and out of politics who were position supporting traditional marriage. Many in the political sphere.

    So we now punish people for what they did years back, which has now, more recently, become politically incorrect?

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Cue the people who start crying about "freedom of speech" without understanding what it means.
    freedom of speech does not mean that people cannot use it to act like bullies - nor that they shouldn't. The politicization of Every Single Part of Life is an unfortunate trend.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Not even remotely comparable. Having a political position that you support outside of work is not the same as shouting it in people's ears at your workplace.
    Fair enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    The U.S. Constitution limits the government, but the rights themselves are inviolable by all. If you had any grasp of the law you might know that. Of course, most self-proclaimed "liberals" nowadays do not really give a **** about the Constitution unless it can be misinterpreted in a way that favors their position. BTW, I think you mean the first five words, not four.
    Passive-aggressive insults notwithstanding, a company is under no obligation to employ someone if they feel that person's out-of-work activities might reflect poorly on the company. There is no First Amendment violation here.

    We can debate all day about whether Mozilla should have done what they did -- I'm iffy on it; it seems like a stretch although I think certain people are blowing it way out of proportion -- but I don't think there's much doubt that they could.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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