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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Depends how far it is taken. A boycott alone, as I understand it, is no more than an exercise of freedom of choice.

    So, no to the second.
    Great! Now, which part of this Mozilla situation goes too far?
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Great! Now, which part of this Mozilla situation goes too far?
    Umm...unless I'm mistaken, all they did was fire a CEO who made them look like assholes.

    Completely reasonable, no violation of any rights whatsoever.
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

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    Already made my signature.
    In the words of Andrew Sullivan:

    Will he now be forced to walk through the streets in shame? Why not the stocks? The whole episode disgusts me – as it should disgust anyone interested in a tolerant and diverse society. If this is the gay rights movement today – hounding our opponents with a fanaticism more like the religious right than anyone else – then count me out. If we are about intimidating the free speech of others, we are no better than the anti-gay bullies who came before us.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So, if he'd slaughtered a puppy on live television, I have to keep buying his product or I am "forcing" him out of a job?
    Or is this just the outcome of my freedom of expression and a lot of other peoples' freedom of expression?

    Are boycotts seriously some sort of unwarranted use of force in your opinion?
    No, consumers make their own decisions.

    I was thinking more so of the employees and their internal revolt. Sure, they can speak out publicly of they like, but airing the companies dirty laundry in public is probably not the best choice if there is an internal channel available. Why take the chance on damaging the brand of the company that is your livelihood? Not sure that makes sense, at least to me.

    By all accounts, he was a qualified, experienced, one of the web's technical pioneers, and one of the founders of Mozilla. Some of his contributions to the Internet and web browsing are present in every browser. A valuable asset to the company I would think, yet forced out, and probably against his wishes, for what I observe as a small amount of money to a cause that's already been defeated in California. That would to be where the vindictive part comes in, and I'd say pointlessly vindictive, as it's already been decided, so what's the point?

    If you want the measure of the man, which may be an insight into his position, all you have to do is read his blog entry from March 26th:
    I am deeply honored and humbled by the CEO role. I’m also grateful for the messages of support. At the same time, I know there are concerns about my commitment to fostering equality and welcome for LGBT individuals at Mozilla. I hope to lay those concerns to rest, first by making a set of commitments to you. More important, I want to lay them to rest by actions and results.
    A number of Mozillians, including LGBT individuals and allies, have stepped forward to offer guidance and assistance in this. I cannot thank you enough, and I ask for your ongoing help to make Mozilla a place of equality and welcome for all. Here are my commitments, and here’s what you can expect:

    • Active commitment to equality in everything we do, from employment to events to community-building.
    • Working with LGBT communities and allies, to listen and learn what does and doesn’t make Mozilla supportive and welcoming.
    • My ongoing commitment to our Community Participation Guidelines, our inclusive health benefits, our anti-discrimination policies, and the spirit that underlies all of these.
    • My personal commitment to work on new initiatives to reach out to those who feel excluded or who have been marginalized in ways that makes their contributing to Mozilla and to open source difficult. More on this last item below.

    . . . .
    I am committed to ensuring that Mozilla is, and will remain, a place that includes and supports everyone, regardless of sexual orientation, gender identity, age, race, ethnicity, economic status, or religion.
    Inclusiveness at Mozilla | Brendan Eich

    Are these the words of someone who deserves to be fired from his job? Someone worthy of the vindictiveness that he received?

    I ask again. Is this not an example of the LGBT community and their supporters performing exactly as intolerant and bigoted as the people they criticize? What's next? A non-LBGT litmus test for all prospective employees? Is that where we are really heading?

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Boycott Mozilla for stifling free speech.
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm not forcing a position on the CEO. He donated money to Prop 8. Here's the text of the CONSTITUTIONAL Amendment up for vote:



    The PURPOSE was to prohibit the state from recognizing SSM, limit or strip rights from LGBT, maintain their relationships in perpetual second class status. What was up for a vote was people's rights, his employees' rights, his suppliers' and business partners' rights, not some non-binding resolution.
    How is it that punishing him for his right to express himself is justified in your mind?

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    In a way they are, I suppose. But when you say the LGBT concerns are "petty and vindictive" you are asserting that their rights are petty. Would you believe that if your own rights to marry were up for a vote? How about your rights to own a gun? You're just saying that stripping others of rights, or limiting THEIR rights, is 'petty' to you, which is probably true because you have nothing at stake. THEY do, and understandably have a different opinion.
    No, I'm not equating the community's behavior and their rights. Those are two separate things. The community is free to exercise their rights and it wouldn't matter if Eich was CEO or not. LGBT rights would not damaged in the least if would have stayed as CEO.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    So being pro-traditional marriage is now sufficient to get you fired?

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    So being pro-traditional marriage is now sufficient to get you fired?
    If it makes the company you work for look bad, definitely.

    I should say that it was not his opinion that got him kicked out, but rather the actions he took based on those opinions.
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    If it makes the company you work for look bad, definitely.

    I should say that it was not his opinion that got him kicked out, but rather the actions he took based on those opinions.
    Disgusting intolerance kicked him out.
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Disgusting intolerance kicked him out.
    Well I haven't read the article in the OP, but it sure didn't sound like that....

    Edit: Now I have read it.

    He wasn't fired, but "stepped down".

    And from where I'm sitting, it seems like perfectly reasonable "intolerance" on the part of Mozilla. They would probably lose a decent chunk of their business if they kept him on.


    Look at it this way....if a religious charity fired their top administrator because he openly supported gay marriage, going against the religion of the charity, would you find that unreasonable?
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