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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I personally feel that gay marriage should be legal. I support that right. I also support the rights of people who don't agree with me.

    That said, I'm sure everyone who was calling for Eich's head will be completely understanding when some company decides it isn't in their best interest to have a CEO who donated to any group that opposed Proposition 8 in 2008 as their CEO, or any other employee for that matter.
    If the CEO of a Christian bookstore is found to have donated to a "pro-abortion" or "pro-gay" initiative, do you expect that the reaction would be different? That company's employees, suppliers, and customers would be up in arms, as the CEO is supporting causes that are an anathema to them.

    Were you understanding when Guns & Ammo summarily fired their long time columnist for expressing mildly pro gun control opinions, his editor reduced to groveling to keep his job? That columnist offended readers, advertisers - so he was fired. What's different here, except the issue?

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) was it positive before?
    was it only LBGT people who didnt like his views?
    and why do you assume it was somethign new and not just learning who he is
    2.) why does this matter?
    According to what I've heard, read and seen, Mozilla had a very positive atmmosphere for its LGBT employees, and offered partner benefits to all. I have not read or seen anything that suggest he was unfair in his treatment of LGBT employees while he was CTO. Mozilla was free to disassociate themselves from him if it works for them. Just as in the future everyone should be just as understanding when a company decides to disassociate itself from an employee who made any donations to any groups that opposed Proposition 8 if it works for that company.

    But like I said, nothing here was illegal.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    If the CEO of a Christian bookstore is found to have donated to a "pro-abortion" or "pro-gay" initiative, do you expect that the reaction would be different? That company's employees, suppliers, and customers would be up in arms, as the CEO is supporting causes that are an anathema to them.

    Were you understanding when Guns & Ammo summarily fired their long time columnist for expressing mildly pro gun control opinions, his editor reduced to groveling to keep his job? That columnist offended readers, advertisers - so he was fired. What's different here, except the issue?
    No, I expect everyone will be just as understanding. When a company pressures a person to step aside because that company doesn't like the fact that said employee donated to a cause that opposed Proposition 8, I would expect to see the LGBT community to just accept it.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    According to what I've heard, read and seen, Mozilla had a very positive atmmosphere for its LGBT employees, and offered partner benefits to all.
    2.) I have not read or seen anything that suggest he was unfair in his treatment of LGBT employees while he was CTO.
    3.)Mozilla was free to disassociate themselves from him if it works for them.
    4.) Just as in the future everyone should be just as understanding when a company decides to disassociate itself from an employee who made any donations to any groups that opposed Proposition 8 if it works for that company.

    But like I said, nothing here was illegal.
    1.) yes i heard it was a great place also for all its employees
    2.) did somebody suggest he was?
    3.) correct
    4.) as long as its done in a manner that is legal, yes

    Ill ask my questions again

    was it only LBGT people who didnt like his views?
    why do you assume it was somethign new he did and not just learning who he is? was this suggested?
    why does this matter to this situation if he currently directly hurt somebody gay?
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I posted a couple of things earlier that folks didnt dare touch, lol. They showed the more extreme side of the argument.

    My personal opinion...and my actions...would reflect that if it *was* worded as civil unions for gays, many more people would have and today would support it. Because I think *most* people do believe in equal rights for gays. That is my 'personal' opinion, I dont have any figures to back it up.

    The use of the word 'marriage,' **especially** in previous ballot measures before this issue got so much media attention, did and still does rock some peoples' worlds...there are many very traditional and/or religious people in this country that feel strongly about *their personal beliefs* but would not deny gays equal rights.

    These are mostly older people too, tho not all. I think this is a cultural change that will take time. Laws pertaining to black and women's civil rights did not change minds and behavior immediately.

    So I personally would not act against nor hold it against someone who had, in the past, voted against or donated to organizations against, SSM.
    Nor would I.

    I agree with your post.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) yes i heard it was a great place also for all its employees
    2.) did somebody suggest he was?
    3.) correct
    4.) as long as its done in a manner that is legal, yes

    Ill ask my questions again

    was it only LBGT people who didnt like his views?
    why do you assume it was somethign new he did and not just learning who he is? was this suggested?
    why does this matter to this situation if he currently directly hurt somebody gay?
    I don't know who else opposed his views. I also don't know what he did wrong. I believe people have a right to hold views, however different they are than mine. But I also believe Mozilla has the right to run their business as they see fit.

    I also believe the pendulum swings both ways, so when this situation happens in the reverse, I expect to see the LGBT community not have any problems when it does.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Corporate personhood and Citizens United led to this. Before I would have thought this type of story was stupid and executives should their opinions to themselves, but now its a necessary evil.



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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    How open and tolerant can an organization possibly be considered, when it crucifies someone for donating a relatively small amount of money to a cause that some people of the organization doesn't approve of? Seems rather petty and vindictive to me somehow.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    1.)I don't know who else opposed his views.
    2.) I also don't know what he did wrong.
    3.) I believe people have a right to hold views, however different they are than mine.
    4.)But I also believe Mozilla has the right to run their business as they see fit.
    5.) I also believe the pendulum swings both ways, so when this situation happens in the reverse, I expect to see the LGBT community not have any problems when it does.
    1.) would you say its a safe bet that all people that support equal rights did since he was against them? and would you also say its a safe bet that was more then just some gay people?
    2.) wrong? legally? nothing
    3.) i believe that too and he is still free to do so
    4.) i agree with this also as long as they follow the law
    5.) well this is just silly for two reasons

    first, the whole LGBT community may not be bothered by him or support what happened, its no fair to group them all together. Just like all non LGBT people arent the same either.

    and whats the reverse? again as long as it is LEGAL, it is what it is.
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Would you say the same if he had made a big donation to the KKK?
    Oh so now Christians are the KKK? Why ****ing stop there? Let's go with the Nazi's!

    It's quite clear, if you aren't pro-LGBT, Welfare, Obama you're a racist, Homophobe Nazi killer.
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