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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    And who says he's homophobic? Nowhere does his donation say he's homophobic. Problem is people can't understand the difference between being Homophobic and not supporting gay marriage.
    Well he sure as hell is not in favor of equality if he is willing to throw a thousand dollars at a proposition meant to deny people the right to marry. You don't have to support anything, but when you turn your opinion into action and you actively pursue legislation that negatively effects a group of people, all of sudden your opinion is no longer harmless banter.
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post

    I do think this is a symptom of our continually crumbling society that's spiraling into a political black hole, where politics and causes infiltrate everything and becomes a pseudo war between each side with an "any means necessary attitude".

    Be it chick-fil-a firing an employee because they volunteer for a pro-choice group or Starbucks firing someone for being an NRA member, it just sits somewhat off for me for companies to devolve to the point of utilizing people's livelihoods as a weapon in a political battle. This one is a bit more complicated due to the person being a CEO, but it still sits off with me as a concept.

    At least Fiddy is forthright in his intent and description of what he wants to see happen.
    My intent is mostly informed on the basis that certain things become taboo enough to cost someone social relationships and their jobs. Causes for social equality, or even the disclosure that one was a member of an actually persecuted group, was good enough to get one canned or exiled. Today, what happens when an important person speaks in favor of keeping racial segregation, racial inferiority, or becomes an apologist to slavery? Social pressure and consequences, which may include enough pressure to step down for becoming an unwelcome distraction. When Ellen Degeneres came out and the show's content turned a decisively lesbian turn, it was controversial enough to arguably turn the program into a perceived liability for ABC.

    I am in favor of these minorities being accepted in social discourse to the extent that it will be unpopular to try to restrict their legal and social status. That the goal is an unreasonable one, on the basis of it being "bullying" ought to cause most people to laugh. Society doesn't have a problem with bullying. That's what happens every day. Some are merely becoming upset that now their perceptions are the ones that are becoming taboo is all.
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Actually, I do. 30 years of experience in Fortune 500 and Fortune 50 companies training managers in labor law and working in compliance programs.
    Then you should know that you can't fire someone for having made a political contribution to a mainstream cause with their personal money on their personal time before they came under your employment. Mozilla could have vetted him before they hired him.

    The proof is in the putting. Did they fire him, or did they bribe him to leave on his own terms?


    This should be common sense. If I fired you because I found out you had contributed to the Obama campaign, do you think that would be legal? This is no different. That would be a huge can of worms - of course it's not allowed.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    My intent is mostly informed on the basis that certain things become taboo enough to cost someone social relationships and their jobs. Causes for social equality, or even the disclosure that one was a member of an actually persecuted group, was good enough to get one canned or exiled. Today, what happens when an important person speaks in favor of keeping racial segregation, racial inferiority, or becomes an apologist to slavery? Social pressure and consequences, which may include enough pressure to step down for becoming an unwelcome distraction. When Ellen Degeneres came out and the show's content turned a decisively lesbian turn, it was controversial enough to arguably turn the program into a perceived liability for ABC.

    I am in favor of these minorities being accepted in social discourse to the extent that it will be unpopular to try to restrict their legal and social status. That the goal is an unreasonable one, on the basis of it being "bullying" ought to cause most people to laugh. Society doesn't have a problem with bullying. That's what happens every day. Some are merely becoming upset that now their perceptions are the ones that are becoming taboo is all.

    Let's not act like it's some kind of overwhelming social stigma to be in favor of keeping traditional marriage. Maybe in the web browser world, but that market tends to be dominated by young kids who are brainwashed by their liberal teachers.

    Shooting from the hip, gay marriage probably has about 50/50 support among the general public.

    I'm very open about my position, and the most I can report in the way of social pressure is a couple women who have tried to debate me on it (women seem to be more on the "pro gay" side for some reason, along with young kids), so basically no problem.

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) people dont get to vote on others rights thats why this was fixed so regardless of what opinions people have or what they are on this issue it doesnt matter just like interracial marriage and equal rights for women and minorities.
    And I don't disagree. I am just stating that 51% of California's supported Prop 8. So you'd have to fire or force them to resign to get rid of the "dregs" as the poster called them.


    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    3.) marriage is a civil union and very specif civil union and others are not equal to it
    Yes, and I am for changing that status to them being equal. But I guess you failed to understand that when I said Marriage should be a religious only, that means the State should recognize that as a civil union only and not given greater status.

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    4.) this is impossible. If you arent for SSM then you arent for gay rights
    This is a bull**** statement. I am for civil unions for all. The term marriage is a religious one and one that shouldn't be recognized by the State. I agree with Sally Kohn on this.


    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    5.) religious marriage has nothing to do with legal marriage they are separate things so religion has no place in the debate about legal marriage nor is it affected.
    Read link above and you'll get where I am going.


    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    6.) nothing is wrong with that "view" because thats already how it is now and it doesnt affect the rights of others
    So, there is nothing wrong with that view? So it's okay that I voted against Same-Sex Marriage in Ohio (Ohio Issue 1 in 2004) because I don't believe marriage should be a term used?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    7.) wrong, just religious marriage is a church event
    Again, you need to read the Link and you'll get what I am saying.


    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    8.) this is also factually false marriage is a type of civil union but they are not the same.
    And I support removing the term marriage and calling it a civil union. Basically, you get a civil union if you have a justice of the peace do it and if you choose to go to get "married" in a church it doesn't change the title.
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Well he sure as hell is not in favor of equality if he is willing to throw a thousand dollars at a proposition meant to deny people the right to marry. You don't have to support anything, but when you turn your opinion into action and you actively pursue legislation that negatively effects a group of people, all of sudden your opinion is no longer harmless banter.
    To Marry, not civil union. Marriage is an archaic term which was defined along time ago based on religious views. You can be against same-sex marriage but for equal rights for civil unions. That doesn't mean you are denying a right. It means you have a religious view of what marriage means but still support rights of the LBGT community.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Then you should know that you can't fire someone for having made a political contribution to a mainstream cause with their personal money on their personal time before they came under your employment. Mozilla could have vetted him before they hired him.

    The proof is in the putting. Did they fire him, or did they bribe him to leave on his own terms?


    This should be common sense. If I fired you because I found out you had contributed to the Obama campaign, do you think that would be legal? This is no different. That would be a huge can of worms - of course it's not allowed.
    Pudding...not putting.

    If someone is in a very high profile role of a company, and they bring perceived shame or dishonor to the company in a public way, the company has no option other than to let him go. Damage control, cut the bleeding before it becomes a torrent. Funny how you are all of a sudden for employee rights (when it is something you agree with).

    If this guy was a janitor, it would not be an issue. You don't get it, that is quite obvious.
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    this is true, he may very well NOT be homophobic.

    not supporting gay marriage alone doesnt make him a homophone
    not supporting gay marriage doesnt make him a bigot
    not supporting gay marriage doesnt make him a hater


    but actively trying to stop gay rights does make him a bigot.
    What asshatery is this? It doesn't make him a bigot either. Seriously.. people need to learn terms.
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Shooting from the hip, gay marriage probably has about 50/50 support among the general public.
    Public opinion of same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A Pew Research Center poll released in March 2014 researched support for same-sex marriage among Republican leaning voters in the United States. 61% of Republican leaning voters aged 18-29 support allowing same-sex couples to marry, while only 27% of Republican leaning voters over 50 years of age are supportive.[14]

    A Washington Post/ABC News poll from February–March 2014 found a record high of 59% of Americans approve of same-sex marriage, with only 34% opposed and 7% with no opinion. The poll also revealed that 53% of the population in the States that currently do not allow same-sex couples to marry approve of same-sex marriage. 50% of respondents said that the United States Constitution guarantees the freedom to marry the person of one's choice, regardless of that persons's sex or sexual orientation. 41% disagreed, and 9% had no opinion.[15] The same poll also found that 81% of people found that businesses should not be allowed to refuse to serve gays and lesbians. 16% disagreed, and 3% had no opinion. 78% thought that gay couples can be "just as good parents" as straight couples, while 18% disagreed and 4% had no opinion.[16]


    Really....at least try to do the barest level of research before you spout off.
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    re: Mozilla’s CEO steps down amid gay marriage furor[W:577]

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    To Marry, not civil union. Marriage is an archaic term which was defined along time ago based on religious views. You can be against same-sex marriage but for equal rights for civil unions. That doesn't mean you are denying a right. It means you have a religious view of what marriage means but still support rights of the LBGT community.
    Separate but equal is not equal and it never will be. Also, arbitrarily choosing the definition of marriage out of the many others that exist and have existed for thousands of years, does not constitute as justifiable reasoning for bigotry. Same sex marriages existed long before the spread of Christianity. You can't claim monopoly on such a loosely defined social construct. Especially one that is constantly redefined.

    Same-Sex Unions throughout Time: A History of Gay Marriage
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    In my own experience here, people seem to ignore a posters professional experience or training if the app pro holds a view that is disagreed with.

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